I thought a garden chat and photo thread would be a good idea.
This way, we have a space to share current pictures and discuss dandelions and other plants.
This way, we have a space to share current pictures and discuss dandelions and other plants.
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WilderSueden4 Sep 2022 19:14So today we had a pleasant temperature of just over 26°C (79°F). The whole week looks similar, with a slight cooling trend towards the end of the week. If the forecasted thunderstorms move away and rain elsewhere, it would be almost perfect for building my garden shed.
WilderSueden schrieb:
If the thunderstorms forecasted now move elsewhere to rain, it would be almost perfect for building my garden shed.… feel free to send them this way. For the past 2 months, every predicted rainstorm has missed us 🙁C
chand19864 Sep 2022 21:56Snowy36 schrieb:
I was at an old monastery over the weekend where they had marked the highest water levels of the Danube River... Rank 1 and 2 were over 1 meter (3 feet) higher than the next highest: in the years 1784 and 1845. So humans couldn’t have been the cause of those floods... Yes, the climate is changing, but how much influence humans have on it, especially here in Germany, I question.Oh no. Not this again. The absolute classic fallacy when it comes to climate change. Just because something happened before, it can’t suddenly have other causes much later on.Back in the early age of the dinosaurs, CO2 levels were much higher, while humans were still hundreds of millions of years away. The conclusion: humans can’t be responsible for today’s rise in CO2 levels. That’s just logic…
The problem with this argument is not that it is factually wrong (it’s actually factually correct), but that it is logically flawed. And such reasoning is often much harder to explain.
chand1986 schrieb:
Oh no. Not again. THE classic logical fallacy about climate change. Because something happened in the past, it can’t suddenly have other causes much later.
In the early age of the dinosaurs, CO2 levels were much higher, and humans were still hundreds of millions of years away. Conclusion: Humans can’t be responsible for today’s rise in CO2 levels. Logic tells us so...
The problem with this argument is that it’s not factually wrong (on the contrary, it’s factually correct), but logically flawed. And that kind of thing is often much harder to explain. Scientists have been debating this for years, but you seem to be sure about it. I don’t see why this should be illogical.
However, if one assumes humans are responsible, then the 80/20 rule comes into play… 20% cause 80%… and those would initially be two specific nations.
I also support protecting the environment, but things seem a bit too dogmatic for me. Just because there’s been little rainfall this year, we don’t immediately talk about heatwaves and summer, let alone climate change.
In the past, the weather forecasts on the news showed areas in green at 26°C (79°F), but today those same areas are shown in deep red.
@Snowy36
You are making an invalid conclusion. It’s like saying all children are born by women, so therefore all women must have children.
Or if someone accidentally died from a gunshot in the past, it doesn’t mean that all gun-related deaths are accidents.
Researchers do not disagree about whether climate change exists or if it is human-caused; the discussion is only about whether it can still be stopped and, if so, how.
The so-called scientists who still strongly oppose this view are usually not specialists, are outsiders, and/or are not taken seriously in the professional discourse (peer review).
Yes, we contribute to about 80% of emissions, and we rank sixth. But it’s true that other countries emit significantly more.
How some conclude from this that there is no need to take action doesn’t make sense to me.
It’s not just this year. It’s clearly visible how, over the last 150 years (since the Industrial Revolution), climate extremes have become more frequent, temperature increases have occurred at an unprecedented rate, and the source of CO2 (namely not from volcanoes or similar natural causes) can be proven.
The claim about the weather map from the Tagesschau is incorrect. Corresponding memes have been exposed as fake or manipulated. They show different themes: daily temperatures versus a three-day forecast.
I recommend reading a well-known fact-checking site on this topic.
Unfortunately, linking is not allowed here, but if you look beyond social media and denialist circles, you will see this quite quickly.
You are making an invalid conclusion. It’s like saying all children are born by women, so therefore all women must have children.
Or if someone accidentally died from a gunshot in the past, it doesn’t mean that all gun-related deaths are accidents.
Researchers do not disagree about whether climate change exists or if it is human-caused; the discussion is only about whether it can still be stopped and, if so, how.
The so-called scientists who still strongly oppose this view are usually not specialists, are outsiders, and/or are not taken seriously in the professional discourse (peer review).
Yes, we contribute to about 80% of emissions, and we rank sixth. But it’s true that other countries emit significantly more.
How some conclude from this that there is no need to take action doesn’t make sense to me.
It’s not just this year. It’s clearly visible how, over the last 150 years (since the Industrial Revolution), climate extremes have become more frequent, temperature increases have occurred at an unprecedented rate, and the source of CO2 (namely not from volcanoes or similar natural causes) can be proven.
The claim about the weather map from the Tagesschau is incorrect. Corresponding memes have been exposed as fake or manipulated. They show different themes: daily temperatures versus a three-day forecast.
I recommend reading a well-known fact-checking site on this topic.
Unfortunately, linking is not allowed here, but if you look beyond social media and denialist circles, you will see this quite quickly.