ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
Exactly – I don’t find those things very attractive either, but they are practical. At the moment, we have a large mirror above the soffit. It looks nice, but it’s impractical because it’s too far away to properly see a pimple or a gray hair.
So we chose a reasonably good-looking cabinet with hopefully good lighting, and that’s that.
So we chose a reasonably good-looking cabinet with hopefully good lighting, and that’s that.
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j.bautsch30 Jul 2018 08:22So with a large washbasin (1m wide (40 inches) as planned) featuring plenty of drawers in the cabinet below, we could easily fit everything that would normally go into a mirrored cabinet. In my opinion, it shouldn’t matter whether you open a drawer or a cabinet door.
At the top, a shallow drawer for small daily essentials, possibly with a kind of cutlery tray to prevent items from rolling around, and maybe divided into two sections. Then a slightly deeper drawer for medium-height items, followed by a fully usable (there is some loss of space in the upper drawers due to pipes) deep drawer below, for example for towels and tall containers like hairspray. You can also place small boxes inside or install railing systems there.
At the top, a shallow drawer for small daily essentials, possibly with a kind of cutlery tray to prevent items from rolling around, and maybe divided into two sections. Then a slightly deeper drawer for medium-height items, followed by a fully usable (there is some loss of space in the upper drawers due to pipes) deep drawer below, for example for towels and tall containers like hairspray. You can also place small boxes inside or install railing systems there.
Robbers, I would have gone crazy reading those replies. What kind of people are those? Of course, something like that has to be included! Fortunately, our general contractor is really cooperative. Our 2x1 m (6.6x3.3 ft) bathtub has been in the plan since we registered it. And we’re nowhere near the details shown on your plan.
Will the installations be inside the wall, or how is that supposed to work?
I understand correctly that the last picture is from an older plan, right? I see this installation pedestal, but apparently it stops under the washbasin. There should be enough space for such a pedestal, right? How are the water pipes and electrical lines planned or already installed there?
Will the installations be inside the wall, or how is that supposed to work?
I understand correctly that the last picture is from an older plan, right? I see this installation pedestal, but apparently it stops under the washbasin. There should be enough space for such a pedestal, right? How are the water pipes and electrical lines planned or already installed there?
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R.Hotzenplotz30 Jul 2018 08:35Climbee schrieb:
Are the installations running inside the wall then, or how is that supposed to work?Exactly.
Climbee schrieb:
I understand correctly that the last image is from an older plan, right?Yes.
Climbee schrieb:
There would be space for a base unit like that, wouldn’t there?Not with a 120cm (47 inch) wide shower. But if you reduce it to 1m (39 inch), then yes.
Climbee schrieb:
How are the water pipes and electrical installations planned or already installed?The rough installation is completed. However, it could be dismantled and reinstalled inside a drywall partition for an additional cost.
@j.bautsch
Even the electric toothbrush with shower station will be difficult to fit with the base cabinet.
Phew... I’ve been following this from the very beginning and I have to say: we did everything right!
After initial talks with general contractors (GCs), we decided not to work with one because our obviously very specific requests were either ignored or only barely addressed. That just wasn’t enough for us. Of course, you end up dealing with topics you never imagined before—losing a lot of your free time and sometimes even affecting your health. Wall construction, insulation materials, types of screed, plaster styles, and so on... it’s exhausting! Our plumbing expert once said to me about the planned heating system, “Uh… I need to ask Viessmann about this, I’ve never received a question like that before.”
Recently, during a phone call, our architect described us to a craftsman as quality-conscious homeowners. When I asked the architect if that was the craftsmen-architects’ code word for nitpickers, he just grinned. So did I.
This is about our wishes, our money, and a project we have prepared for a very long time and are really looking forward to. A GC wouldn’t have been enough for us and wouldn’t have responded in the way we wanted—but yes, that would have been more convenient. Standard solutions delivered at a tremendous pace, and usually well done.
We are now on the home stretch, just another three or four weeks until we can move in. Then we’ll have behind us one and a half years of hard construction time. Plus, a prior planning phase that matured over more than 12 months and involved very close collaboration with our architect. The plan was theoretically for no DIY work, but in reality, you notice that you prefer to do many tasks yourself because you know exactly how you want them done. Nitpickers, indeed. It’s super exhausting, but we’ve already received praise from the craftsmen because some of our solutions probably wouldn’t have been implemented otherwise—or only at an exorbitant cost. Time to do these tasks ourselves? Actually none. But better than things going wrong...
It seems to me that on the way to the dream house, some things are often rushed just to reach the goal quickly. But the whole process has to be a development where you have time to question and understand things. I don’t care if the plan took only two months to mature into a building permit application (or planning permission), it has to please you for the decades to come!
All along, many have smiled at us because we threw ourselves into the planning with full energy. Partly because we really enjoy it, but also because we want it to be perfect—for us. Now, everyone who enters the house says, “You can tell how much thought and consideration went into this!” But it was super tiring, annoying, and draining at the same time.
I find it very unfortunate to read that you’re struggling like this, because despite all the work and the little time, this whole process is very exciting and should be enjoyable! You really suffer sometimes. Maybe you approached it a bit naively or set your priorities wrong. No blame intended—colorful pictures and animations can also be very misleading. But: no pain, no gain... there’s some truth to that!
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that you will eventually get your very own dream house. And: things change! If one cabinet in the bathroom doesn’t fit, allow yourself to look for something completely new! Often, you don’t just end up with lazy compromises but find THE (second) dream cabinet! Clear your head, look closely at the local conditions, and search for the perfect solution for YOUR PLACE—not just the standard cabinet that’s supposed to fit in your bathroom!
After initial talks with general contractors (GCs), we decided not to work with one because our obviously very specific requests were either ignored or only barely addressed. That just wasn’t enough for us. Of course, you end up dealing with topics you never imagined before—losing a lot of your free time and sometimes even affecting your health. Wall construction, insulation materials, types of screed, plaster styles, and so on... it’s exhausting! Our plumbing expert once said to me about the planned heating system, “Uh… I need to ask Viessmann about this, I’ve never received a question like that before.”
Recently, during a phone call, our architect described us to a craftsman as quality-conscious homeowners. When I asked the architect if that was the craftsmen-architects’ code word for nitpickers, he just grinned. So did I.
This is about our wishes, our money, and a project we have prepared for a very long time and are really looking forward to. A GC wouldn’t have been enough for us and wouldn’t have responded in the way we wanted—but yes, that would have been more convenient. Standard solutions delivered at a tremendous pace, and usually well done.
We are now on the home stretch, just another three or four weeks until we can move in. Then we’ll have behind us one and a half years of hard construction time. Plus, a prior planning phase that matured over more than 12 months and involved very close collaboration with our architect. The plan was theoretically for no DIY work, but in reality, you notice that you prefer to do many tasks yourself because you know exactly how you want them done. Nitpickers, indeed. It’s super exhausting, but we’ve already received praise from the craftsmen because some of our solutions probably wouldn’t have been implemented otherwise—or only at an exorbitant cost. Time to do these tasks ourselves? Actually none. But better than things going wrong...
It seems to me that on the way to the dream house, some things are often rushed just to reach the goal quickly. But the whole process has to be a development where you have time to question and understand things. I don’t care if the plan took only two months to mature into a building permit application (or planning permission), it has to please you for the decades to come!
All along, many have smiled at us because we threw ourselves into the planning with full energy. Partly because we really enjoy it, but also because we want it to be perfect—for us. Now, everyone who enters the house says, “You can tell how much thought and consideration went into this!” But it was super tiring, annoying, and draining at the same time.
I find it very unfortunate to read that you’re struggling like this, because despite all the work and the little time, this whole process is very exciting and should be enjoyable! You really suffer sometimes. Maybe you approached it a bit naively or set your priorities wrong. No blame intended—colorful pictures and animations can also be very misleading. But: no pain, no gain... there’s some truth to that!
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that you will eventually get your very own dream house. And: things change! If one cabinet in the bathroom doesn’t fit, allow yourself to look for something completely new! Often, you don’t just end up with lazy compromises but find THE (second) dream cabinet! Clear your head, look closely at the local conditions, and search for the perfect solution for YOUR PLACE—not just the standard cabinet that’s supposed to fit in your bathroom!
Yes, I definitely had the reputation of being a client who knows what she wants and makes it clear.
Looking at the difficult experience from Räuber’s perspective, I was luckier than sensible. I was far too lenient and trusting.
Perhaps my reputation for “making things clear” contributed to this. I once complained about the throwing of cotton balls on the construction site.
For us, they forgot to install the downpipe connection for the garage. I’m extremely frustrated that I didn’t notice it. I was at the construction site twice every day, questioned everything, and still didn’t catch it.
Looking at the difficult experience from Räuber’s perspective, I was luckier than sensible. I was far too lenient and trusting.
Perhaps my reputation for “making things clear” contributed to this. I once complained about the throwing of cotton balls on the construction site.
For us, they forgot to install the downpipe connection for the garage. I’m extremely frustrated that I didn’t notice it. I was at the construction site twice every day, questioned everything, and still didn’t catch it.
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