ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
11ant schrieb:
And I agree with them. Period.I think that’s quite strict. Do you know the structural engineering of the house that well? We’re still in the shell construction phase, right? Installing a new lintel shouldn’t be impossible, should it?
kaho674 schrieb:
We are still in the shell construction phase, right? Installing a new lintel is not impossible, is it? We are at the stage where the roof frame is already in place, and it wasn’t about it being objectively impossible, but about it not being economically feasible. It would definitely be too costly to go through with that effort. What for anyway: to gain 25 cm (10 inches) of width instead of 12 cm (5 inches)?
And then comes the next layman complaint: oh, the 126 cm (50 inches) wide balcony door would need a third hinge, oh, then it can’t be tilt-and-turn, no one told me that ;-(
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Well, Elephant, that’s what I call customer service.
I find it a bit strange how many things just don’t work out with this construction project. It’s worse than in the times of the GDR.
Sometimes, three people just need to put some thought into it, give the customer precise advice, and one of them has to cut the material in again properly.
I find it a bit strange how many things just don’t work out with this construction project. It’s worse than in the times of the GDR.
Sometimes, three people just need to put some thought into it, give the customer precise advice, and one of them has to cut the material in again properly.
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R.Hotzenplotz26 Jul 2018 13:4311ant schrieb:
In some cases, I feel that one can really overdo the naive layman perspective.I can tell you how to sell cherries, chanterelles, or other delicacies. But construction-related matters are simply not my area. Sorry, but I never thought to ask whether you are allowed to install something in a sand-lime brick wall and not in a drywall partition—or vice versa... Instead, the builder could have been asked if they were aware that a sand-lime brick wall is generally not meant for built-in fixtures and how they intended to solve the issue of furniture and shelves. It might not be legally enforceable, but it would have been customer-oriented. But let’s not go deeper into this topic; here I accept the extra costs without complaining, even though it annoys me.
11ant schrieb:
This window will probably be recorded forever in the history books of this forum as a concrete example of the quality difference between an in-house architect and a general contractor architect.The planning quality a customer can expect is legally the same for both. So they must be held accountable accordingly and possibly take responsibility for planning errors. I find it inconsistent to portray the general contractor architect as generally worse while at the same time defending them broadly by saying it is not a planning or execution error.
11ant schrieb:
By the third instance at the latest, they will face a judge who either has the expertise themselves or obtains it through experts, who will counter that execution plans typically show rough construction measurements unless explicitly indicated otherwise.One should not be mistaken here. The issue is not convincing a judge about what is usually included in execution plans and what is not. It is much more about what the provider should have done to explain this clearly to the customer. If it takes a specialist to explain this in the third instance to a judge, why should an untrained building layperson be expected to understand this at contract signing?
11ant schrieb:
In the construction scope description, the drawings were part of the contract documents, and the lawyer’s legal opinion can only be derived from the textual part.Only the floor plans were part of the contract, not the execution drawings.
Regarding the window:
Again, as a layperson, I do not understand the following. Expanding the width of the door is said to be a major structural issue and economically hardly feasible, but adding a window that was not originally planned afterward is no problem? You told me adding a window would definitely not be doable at reasonable cost (as is usually said for all other points).
If you build a niche into a single-brick-thick masonry wall, either nothing can be built above it anymore, or nothing masonry-related, or a lintel must be installed before continuing with the masonry above. Of course, you don’t have to demolish the wall; it can remain up to the bottom edge of the mirror cabinet. Above the mirror cabinet, drywall construction can then continue.
Regarding the judge, I meant that by the third time at the latest, they will question whether the lawyer’s assumption matches reality; and if necessary, have an expert confirm that finished dimensions on structural drawings are at least unusual.
The forgotten window now obviously costs several times more than if it had been planned from the start – that’s why I say it’s a friendly price.
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Regarding the judge, I meant that by the third time at the latest, they will question whether the lawyer’s assumption matches reality; and if necessary, have an expert confirm that finished dimensions on structural drawings are at least unusual.
The forgotten window now obviously costs several times more than if it had been planned from the start – that’s why I say it’s a friendly price.
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R.Hotzenplotz29 Jul 2018 10:08I might have a pretty good idea.
The glass area of the fixed window panel is about 10cm (4 inches) wider than that of the patio doors. If it’s still possible to add a knee wall, it might also be worth considering switching to a fixed panel in the bedroom to maximize natural light. I think it’s perfectly fine to access the roof terrace through the utility room and the bathroom.
Alternatively, I’ll inquire about door units that use narrower glass frames to allow for more glass area. Perhaps aluminum windows could be an option that makes this possible.
The glass area of the fixed window panel is about 10cm (4 inches) wider than that of the patio doors. If it’s still possible to add a knee wall, it might also be worth considering switching to a fixed panel in the bedroom to maximize natural light. I think it’s perfectly fine to access the roof terrace through the utility room and the bathroom.
Alternatively, I’ll inquire about door units that use narrower glass frames to allow for more glass area. Perhaps aluminum windows could be an option that makes this possible.
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