ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
I would strongly recommend proper and ergonomic kitchen planning. Right now, you have to walk around the island every time you go to the fridge, then to the sink for meat/vegetables, wash up, and then back to the cooktop. Generally, every route from the kitchen unit around the island leads to the fridge. This situation would be much more comfortable with a sink island, and thanks to the windowsill height of 125 cm (50 inches) in the window wall, it would also be possible to install a cooktop with either a ceiling-mounted hood or a downdraft extractor.
Why have two seating areas in the kitchen?
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In general, I notice the windowsill height of 112 cm (44 inches) on the ground floor and 100 cm (39 inches) on the upper floor above the finished floor level. I find this too high for standard windows, especially in children’s rooms. I have between 85 and 87 cm (33 to 34 inches) here, and if I imagine almost 30 cm (12 inches) more, people under 170 cm (5 ft 7 in) tall sitting down wouldn’t really have a view outside.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure if the plans are oriented north... but I could better imagine Child 1’s room with the wide window on the wide wall and the narrow window on the narrow wall.
For Child 2, I find the flush right-side window completely unsuitable... a cupboard will always have to leave a gap next to the window, and even then it looks strange.
Therefore, my suggestion is "form follows function," especially since the three 2-pane window fronts are already different due to the wall column between Child 2 and the bathroom, and there is no other connection to the lower floor or similar. I would work on this further.
Where I would really like to see a cross-section is the basement staircase, which comes up and ends shortened under the staircase to the attic.
And, as before, I don’t like the entrance to the living room.
I find the wardrobe over-dimensioned for just under 250 cm (98 inches).
The dining area and couch are still somehow wrongly positioned – or am I wrong? Think about electrical planning as well, so you should realistically furnish the spaces to avoid forgetting outlets, switches, etc.
The shower in the kids’ bathroom... you enter and face a wall. I would rather place the shower by the window at the bottom of the plan, even if that window might be very narrow, about 66 cm (26 inches) or so (see also Child 2). In any case, I find the layout of the kids’ bathroom not successful.
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These were more or less all points that have already come up in the other thread.
You really should start filling the plans with real furniture soon. Bathroom and kitchen planning are especially important because water supply lines need to be planned accordingly.
Why have two seating areas in the kitchen?
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In general, I notice the windowsill height of 112 cm (44 inches) on the ground floor and 100 cm (39 inches) on the upper floor above the finished floor level. I find this too high for standard windows, especially in children’s rooms. I have between 85 and 87 cm (33 to 34 inches) here, and if I imagine almost 30 cm (12 inches) more, people under 170 cm (5 ft 7 in) tall sitting down wouldn’t really have a view outside.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure if the plans are oriented north... but I could better imagine Child 1’s room with the wide window on the wide wall and the narrow window on the narrow wall.
For Child 2, I find the flush right-side window completely unsuitable... a cupboard will always have to leave a gap next to the window, and even then it looks strange.
Therefore, my suggestion is "form follows function," especially since the three 2-pane window fronts are already different due to the wall column between Child 2 and the bathroom, and there is no other connection to the lower floor or similar. I would work on this further.
Where I would really like to see a cross-section is the basement staircase, which comes up and ends shortened under the staircase to the attic.
And, as before, I don’t like the entrance to the living room.
I find the wardrobe over-dimensioned for just under 250 cm (98 inches).
The dining area and couch are still somehow wrongly positioned – or am I wrong? Think about electrical planning as well, so you should realistically furnish the spaces to avoid forgetting outlets, switches, etc.
The shower in the kids’ bathroom... you enter and face a wall. I would rather place the shower by the window at the bottom of the plan, even if that window might be very narrow, about 66 cm (26 inches) or so (see also Child 2). In any case, I find the layout of the kids’ bathroom not successful.
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These were more or less all points that have already come up in the other thread.
You really should start filling the plans with real furniture soon. Bathroom and kitchen planning are especially important because water supply lines need to be planned accordingly.
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 12:57kbt09 schrieb:
I would strongly recommend proper and ergonomic kitchen planning.They just drew something without consulting us. I have already brought up several times that the furniture in various rooms is incorrect, but they say they will only address that during detailed construction planning. The bathrooms will also not stay as they are currently drawn. Basically, none of this is correct.
kbt09 schrieb:
Why have two seating areas in the kitchen?I don’t understand that either.
kbt09 schrieb:
That’s why my suggestion is “form follows function,” especially since the three sets of double windows are already different because of the wall column between child’s room 2 and the bathroom, and there’s no real connection to the lower floor or anything like that. I would work on that some more.Yes, I think we will continue to work on that too. Is it correct that this can still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning application? The architect says yes.
kbt09 schrieb:
I would really like to see the section showing the basement stairs coming up and ending shortened under the stairs to the attic.I will request that.
kbt09 schrieb:
For a wardrobe cabinet just under 250cm (98 inches), the cloakroom seems oversized.Yes, it is very large. But making the toilet even bigger doesn’t make sense either. We will see how the cloakroom will actually be used. I don’t see any other approach at the moment. It’s a tough pill to swallow.
kbt09 schrieb:
The dining area and sofa are still somehow incorrectly positioned, right? Think about electrical planning—realistic furniture layout is important so you don’t forget sockets, switches, etc.Yes, that is wrong! They had it properly drawn once before, and now suddenly it’s wrong again! I will call tomorrow to talk about properly drawing the furniture layout. Otherwise, how am I supposed to proceed with electrical planning and so forth?
kbt09 schrieb:
The shower in the children’s bathroom... you enter and face a wall. I would rather place the shower by the window at the bottom of the plan, although that window is probably very narrow, around 66cm (26 inches) or so (see also child 2 room). In any case, I find the layout of the children’s bathroom unsuccessful.Both bathrooms are not well designed. Tomorrow we will focus extensively on the bathroom topic. They just drew something for the bathrooms as well but said that we can plan it however we want.
kbt09 schrieb:
You really should start adding realistic furniture layouts to the plans. Bathroom and kitchen planning are especially important because water supply lines need to be planned here.Exactly; this applies to almost all the points you mentioned. That’s why we now have to have the kitchen planned at the kitchen studio. Then we will have kitchen and bathrooms... I will draw the rest of the furniture myself and send the plans.
What’s unfortunate is that tomorrow we have the appointment for plumbing, and the walk-in closet has not yet been enlarged, so we don’t even have proper dimensions for the bathroom planning.
Unfortunately, some dimensions are missing, but for the walk-in closet, I would rather take a bit of space from the sleeping area.
Well, the building permit / planning permission and windows still need significant changes, which I don’t think is ideal. That’s why it’s crucial to plan and furnish the rooms as efficiently as possible before reviewing the window layout.
What do you think about the sill height? Don’t you find it a bit too high?
Well, the building permit / planning permission and windows still need significant changes, which I don’t think is ideal. That’s why it’s crucial to plan and furnish the rooms as efficiently as possible before reviewing the window layout.
What do you think about the sill height? Don’t you find it a bit too high?
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 13:17kbt09 schrieb:
Unfortunately, some dimensions are missing, but for the walk-in closet, I would rather take a bit from the sleeping area.I think we agreed on splitting it half and half.
kbt09 schrieb:
Well, changing the building permit / planning permission and the windows significantly is probably not a great idea.Not the building permit / planning permission, but the architect said that despite the permit, it’s no problem to make some changes to the windows later.
kbt09 schrieb:
What do you think about the sill height? Don’t you find it a bit too high?I’m sitting at 86cm (34 inches) here as well. I’ve also experienced higher sill heights. I can’t give a clear opinion right away; it wasn’t really an issue before, and I liked it in the 3D interior visualization. I’ll have to show my wife the alternatives with a tape measure soon.
Lightweight partition wall.
I have, of course, taken acoustic considerations into account.
Safe.
For a house in this price range, a safe is an absolute must. Otherwise, you’re in trouble if the main characters from XY show up at your bedside. They’ll never believe there isn’t a safe in the house. So it definitely needs to be there. I would prefer it to be nicely placed in the utility room, though.
Wind sensor.
Yes, planning this with the home automation system sounds good. Otherwise, it might not be compatible with the bus system or similar issues.
Window changes.
Here, too, I have carefully considered all visual consequences and weighed them conservatively. The "post" visually blends completely into the smoky eyes effect.
Beams.
You don’t need to ask me about that; the structural engineer will know what he is doing. He wouldn’t want his professional liability insurance to increase.
Construction contract before approval.
Of course not.
Changes after submission.
Yes, these are absolutely common. They are called tweaks. There are never none. Moving windows, deciding on interior doors or not are typical examples.
Bathrooms still without exact dimensions.
The first fifty posts in the bathroom planning thread can be managed based on the current drawings.
Parapet heights.
A parapet height of 112cm (44 inches) is, in my opinion, a hybrid between a picture window and a transom window. I have already mentioned (here or via PM) that you should use painter’s tape to mark the planned height on your current windows, so you can visualize it.
Garage interior door.
As I said before: prepare the lintel and fill the door opening with aerated concrete blocks, then postponing it is not canceling it.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
I have, of course, taken acoustic considerations into account.
Safe.
For a house in this price range, a safe is an absolute must. Otherwise, you’re in trouble if the main characters from XY show up at your bedside. They’ll never believe there isn’t a safe in the house. So it definitely needs to be there. I would prefer it to be nicely placed in the utility room, though.
Wind sensor.
Yes, planning this with the home automation system sounds good. Otherwise, it might not be compatible with the bus system or similar issues.
Window changes.
Here, too, I have carefully considered all visual consequences and weighed them conservatively. The "post" visually blends completely into the smoky eyes effect.
Beams.
You don’t need to ask me about that; the structural engineer will know what he is doing. He wouldn’t want his professional liability insurance to increase.
Construction contract before approval.
Of course not.
Changes after submission.
Yes, these are absolutely common. They are called tweaks. There are never none. Moving windows, deciding on interior doors or not are typical examples.
Bathrooms still without exact dimensions.
The first fifty posts in the bathroom planning thread can be managed based on the current drawings.
Parapet heights.
A parapet height of 112cm (44 inches) is, in my opinion, a hybrid between a picture window and a transom window. I have already mentioned (here or via PM) that you should use painter’s tape to mark the planned height on your current windows, so you can visualize it.
Garage interior door.
As I said before: prepare the lintel and fill the door opening with aerated concrete blocks, then postponing it is not canceling it.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Oct 2017 14:2411ant schrieb:
Lightweight partition wall.
Of course, I have also considered acoustic aspects.Is this, from your point of view, only relevant at the bathroom / walk-in closet junction? Or should it be taken into account elsewhere as well? It probably also reduces the costs a bit.
11ant schrieb:
Safe.
For a house in this price range, it is an absolute must. Otherwise, you’re in trouble if the main culprits show up at your bedside. They would never believe that there is no safe in the house. So you definitely need one. I would place it nicely in the technical room, though.The technical room would also be an option. Of course, we have thought about that too. But if you have to go down to the basement every time to change your watch, switch jewelry, etc., that’s not very convenient. We will probably do it that way because doubling the bedroom wall to accommodate the safe costs almost € 2,000, which is not negligible. But on the other hand, it may not necessarily be required.
11ant schrieb:
Garage intermediate door.
I already said: reinforce the lintel in advance and fill the door opening with aerated concrete blocks, then postponing is not the same as canceling.I had noted this valuable advice carefully on a checklist.
11ant schrieb:
Parapet heights.
Parapet height of 112 is, in my view, a hybrid between a viewing window and a transom. But I already said (here or by private message), try using painter’s tape to mark the planned height on your current windows so you can visualize it.We never discussed this with the architect during planning; it just ended up that way.
Just now, we measured this at home with a tape measure. We currently have first-floor windows with a parapet height of about 88cm (35 inches). We find this acceptable here since the view is over an open field. But on the side facing the street, I think it wouldn’t hurt to have it a bit higher. We definitely need to reconsider the parapet heights for the office and the living and dining room windows. I want to be able to comfortably look out over the beautiful garden from my office while sitting.
I just pulled a few images from the interior visualization showing the window situation again. The children’s room still has the old window arrangement.
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