ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Tendency therefore towards a surface-mounted mirror cabinet Now that I’m at the reading glasses stage, I sometimes reconsider something like that—but then I remember how it looked and decide to leave it alone.
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To be honest, I find mirrored cabinets, whether surface-mounted or recessed, totally outdated—sorry. They might still be acceptable if you really live in such a confined space that you have no other storage options. Otherwise, any other solution looks much better.
Do you have an installation box there? It would be better to use that for the daily (actually very minimal) small items (toothpaste, for example, we keep on the washbasin) and instead place a bathroom cabinet nearby with the essential items. That way, the problem disappears.
I really feel sorry for you with all the trouble that’s coming your way right now, but honestly: there are quite a few things I don’t understand—how you didn’t come across them during the planning stage. I’m probably in the phase right now where these small “details” become relevant in planning, and I think carefully about every aspect: whether it’s how I imagine it, how it looks, or what this or that means. If I don’t understand something or am unsure, I ask questions, mentally walk through the house, and pay attention to countless small details. With you, I get the impression that you liked the design as it was presented in 3D, and now it’s just going to turn out that way. A general contractor (GC) will always choose the easiest (and cheapest) option for themselves. If a recessed mirrored cabinet (whether you find it attractive or not) were intended, it should have been clearly marked in the construction plan. At least I would have only felt comfortable approving the construction plan once that was included. For us, niches in the shower for shampoo and such have to be drawn in, as well as details on where and how lighting should be installed. I want outlets in a few unusual places (for example, under the dining table). I want all of that visible and agreed on in the construction plan.
As I said, I really feel sorry about your troubles, but blaming only the GC and ignoring any shared responsibility—is not something I can fully agree with... And yes, you’re not a professional. But I wouldn’t assume that a GC will necessarily point out every pitfall (especially since they may see things differently). You really have to put in the effort yourself.
Lessons learned for everyone still in the construction planning phase: question and understand absolutely everything, and agreements must be clearly documented in the construction plan!
Do you have an installation box there? It would be better to use that for the daily (actually very minimal) small items (toothpaste, for example, we keep on the washbasin) and instead place a bathroom cabinet nearby with the essential items. That way, the problem disappears.
I really feel sorry for you with all the trouble that’s coming your way right now, but honestly: there are quite a few things I don’t understand—how you didn’t come across them during the planning stage. I’m probably in the phase right now where these small “details” become relevant in planning, and I think carefully about every aspect: whether it’s how I imagine it, how it looks, or what this or that means. If I don’t understand something or am unsure, I ask questions, mentally walk through the house, and pay attention to countless small details. With you, I get the impression that you liked the design as it was presented in 3D, and now it’s just going to turn out that way. A general contractor (GC) will always choose the easiest (and cheapest) option for themselves. If a recessed mirrored cabinet (whether you find it attractive or not) were intended, it should have been clearly marked in the construction plan. At least I would have only felt comfortable approving the construction plan once that was included. For us, niches in the shower for shampoo and such have to be drawn in, as well as details on where and how lighting should be installed. I want outlets in a few unusual places (for example, under the dining table). I want all of that visible and agreed on in the construction plan.
As I said, I really feel sorry about your troubles, but blaming only the GC and ignoring any shared responsibility—is not something I can fully agree with... And yes, you’re not a professional. But I wouldn’t assume that a GC will necessarily point out every pitfall (especially since they may see things differently). You really have to put in the effort yourself.
Lessons learned for everyone still in the construction planning phase: question and understand absolutely everything, and agreements must be clearly documented in the construction plan!
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R.Hotzenplotz30 Jul 2018 07:56Climbee schrieb:
To be honest, I find mirrored cabinets, whether surface-mounted or recessed, pretty retro, sorry.It’s really just a makeshift solution, since the initially planned boxed-in structure turned out not to fit properly between the washbasin and bathtub passage.
Climbee schrieb:
Do you have an installation pedestal there?What is that? I’m attaching the excerpt here.
Climbee schrieb:
There are quite a few things I don’t understand; I’m surprised you didn’t catch these during planning.I’ve been wondering the same thing and blaming myself a lot. On the other hand, I keep telling myself that I did everything possible.
a) I spent hours, nights, and days studying the plans and so on.
b) I hired a building consultant who reviewed the design, contract, and execution plans, precisely to identify such problems early.
c) I posted intensively here in the forum, asked questions, took in feedback; a lot in our house comes from ideas here. Without this forum, it would never have turned out as well as it has, aside from the shortcomings.
Climbee schrieb:
If I don’t understand something or am unsure, I ask. I mentally walk through the house and pay attention to many small details.We received a 3D visualization that allowed a virtual walkthrough. The glass surfaces seemed much more generous there, and we didn’t notice this problem. Other issues were noticed and corrected there.
Climbee schrieb:
From what I see, you seemed quite happy with the design in 3D, and now it’s just becoming what it was.Not at all. I had no life outside of the house project and my job. I only researched, checked, and acted. But as a non-professional, investing time alone doesn’t cover everything. I certainly have many qualities, but calm and relaxed I am definitely not.
Climbee schrieb:
A general contractor will always choose the simplest (and cheapest) option for themselves.Exactly; I was fully aware of that, which is why a building consultant was involved from the start. It’s unfortunate the consultant missed some things, but that can’t be helped on my part. Then I tell myself, if a consultant who spends two hours reviewing the plans (windows) can’t see the problem, how could I have noticed that it didn’t fit?
Climbee schrieb:
For us, the niches in the shower for shampoo, etc. must also be included in the plan, and it must specify what, where, and how lighting is done.I was told repeatedly that this isn’t done. For example, the lighting plan isn’t their responsibility (except on the ground floor because of the factory-prepared drywall ceiling).
Climbee schrieb:
As I said, I really feel sorry for you with all this frustration, but I can’t fully excuse blaming only the general contractor...This isn’t about black-and-white thinking. Believe me, I blame myself so much that it sometimes affects my health. I don’t claim to be free of mistakes and I’m not simply blaming the general contractor either, even though I’m unhappy with many aspects.
Climbee schrieb:
But I wouldn’t expect a general contractor to point out every pitfall (especially since they might see it differently); you really have to get into the details yourself.I managed to get into many topics... but not everywhere. I had to familiarize myself with everything from KNX electrical systems to basics of floor coverings and hundreds of other subjects—all on the side.
I also find a large glass mirror on the wall more attractive, but it’s not very practical. I don’t want any items lying on the washbasin either, as I think it looks untidy. With a mirrored cabinet, you can also see yourself from behind using the foldable mirrors, which is important. For me, the practical function of the mirrored cabinet is more important than its appearance.
Best regards
Sabine
Best regards
Sabine
Matter of personal preference
From the back, I use an extra handheld mirror stored in the pull-out section beneath the sink, which I find more flexible. With a folded mirror door, you always have to lean half over the washbasin awkwardly.
But as I said, I’m easy about it—if someone likes it for whatever reason, that’s fine. I just don’t like it.
Phew, Räuber, you’re really scaring me. I think our general contractor already considers me a nitpicker, but after your story, I’m probably going to top that reputation...
I don’t see an installation plinth by the washbasin in the plan. It’s a type of false wall, about 10cm (4 inches) deep, where the installations run. You see this in many bathrooms—usually with the mirror above it—and the ledge created is often used as a shelf. I find the mounted shelves just about as unappealing visually as mirrored cabinets.
Pictures speak louder than words, so here’s something like this
From the back, I use an extra handheld mirror stored in the pull-out section beneath the sink, which I find more flexible. With a folded mirror door, you always have to lean half over the washbasin awkwardly.
But as I said, I’m easy about it—if someone likes it for whatever reason, that’s fine. I just don’t like it.
Phew, Räuber, you’re really scaring me. I think our general contractor already considers me a nitpicker, but after your story, I’m probably going to top that reputation...
I don’t see an installation plinth by the washbasin in the plan. It’s a type of false wall, about 10cm (4 inches) deep, where the installations run. You see this in many bathrooms—usually with the mirror above it—and the ledge created is often used as a shelf. I find the mounted shelves just about as unappealing visually as mirrored cabinets.
Pictures speak louder than words, so here’s something like this
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R.Hotzenplotz30 Jul 2018 08:17Climbee schrieb:
I don’t see a installation plinth in the plan at the shower enclosure.This is the current plan. Previously, something like that was drawn in. That’s actually how we wanted it. But it just doesn’t fit!
They had drawn it in before, but carelessly and with incorrect furniture dimensions. I basically had to beg them to even include my bathroom furniture, to change the bathtub from 180cm (71 inches) to 190cm (75 inches), etc. – they always wanted to postpone it, saying it would be done later, and then time ran out... simply frustrating.
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