ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
In line with the ongoing discussion, the following note appeared in our newspaper today:
"Since January, homeowners have the right to request detailed plans from construction companies. However, these companies do not always provide them voluntarily, explains the Association of Private Homeowners. Even if this right is not explicitly stated in the contract, it still applies because it is established by law and therefore mandatory. The Association of Private Homeowners advises requesting documentation including floor plans, elevations, sections, structural calculations, and the thermal insulation certificate. (dpa)"
So, this right has clearly only existed since January. I always assumed that as a homeowner, these plans belong to me, especially since I am paying for them. But since January, there is no legal basis to refuse at least access to these plans.
"Since January, homeowners have the right to request detailed plans from construction companies. However, these companies do not always provide them voluntarily, explains the Association of Private Homeowners. Even if this right is not explicitly stated in the contract, it still applies because it is established by law and therefore mandatory. The Association of Private Homeowners advises requesting documentation including floor plans, elevations, sections, structural calculations, and the thermal insulation certificate. (dpa)"
So, this right has clearly only existed since January. I always assumed that as a homeowner, these plans belong to me, especially since I am paying for them. But since January, there is no legal basis to refuse at least access to these plans.
Let me put it this way...
I have a carpenter who works the same way. He’s building my garage/carport combination. The requirement was timber frame construction with insulation. For each wall, we had to discuss again where and how much insulation should be installed. I don’t want to rule out that some general contractors work like this as well. In my case, it was only the garage, and I already knew that the execution planning would happen on site. But for an entire house... no homeowner expects that. At that point, I might as well hire three laborers and an engineer...
I have a carpenter who works the same way. He’s building my garage/carport combination. The requirement was timber frame construction with insulation. For each wall, we had to discuss again where and how much insulation should be installed. I don’t want to rule out that some general contractors work like this as well. In my case, it was only the garage, and I already knew that the execution planning would happen on site. But for an entire house... no homeowner expects that. At that point, I might as well hire three laborers and an engineer...
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R.Hotzenplotz12 Sep 2018 08:34Climbee schrieb:
So it seems that the right to access these plans only exists since January. I always assumed that, as the builder, the plans would belong to me as well, since I pay for them.However, this needs to be examined more closely—specifically, whether the report covers the general release of the plans or includes a time-related component.
In our case, for example, the general contractor is willing to hand over the documents at the end of the project, but not during the construction phase. In that regard, the report remains unclear to me.
You are not allowed to post links here, but if you search for "release of plans to builders law," you will quickly find relevant articles.
The release of plans beforehand is necessary simply because the builder must be able to check whether the required standards have been met (energy saving regulations, etc.) or have them checked.
Personally, I am surprised that a law is needed for this and that it only applies from January 2018 onward. I just don’t understand that.
The release of plans beforehand is necessary simply because the builder must be able to check whether the required standards have been met (energy saving regulations, etc.) or have them checked.
Personally, I am surprised that a law is needed for this and that it only applies from January 2018 onward. I just don’t understand that.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
What exactly is unclear to you?
.Our garage door specialist just called to ask whether we want a 2m (6 ft 7 in) or 2.13m (7 ft) clear opening height for the back door (we have the same as you).
He also asked if we plan to install a ceiling above it (garage with an open roof truss). If not, he would recommend the 2.13m (7 ft), which costs 60 euros more due to a different mounting system....
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Traumfaenger12 Sep 2018 09:35R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
In our case, for example, the general contractor (GC) is willing to hand over the documents, but only at the end of the project, not during the construction phase.You should consider posting a detailed experience report about your GC according to the forum rules once the construction is completed... Our home builder sent us a box of structural engineering documents and all execution plans (electrical, plumbing, underfloor heating, etc.) printed on DIN A0 (33.1 inches by 46.8 inches) sheets before each phase, unsolicited. Additionally, we received all documents as PDFs. At the end, they provided a DVD with the complete set of plans, since some details changed during the construction phase.
Climbee schrieb:
Personally, I’m surprised that there even needs to be a law about this and that it only comes into effect starting January 2018. I just can’t grasp that.When you think of dishonest contractors like that one robber, it’s less surprising (“over 30 years of experience and expertise in solid construction” and the testimonials from satisfied homeowners notwithstanding...). There is often a big gap between the online presence and the actual reality.
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