ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I have already said many times that the general contractor only hands over the planning documents at the time of project handover. I haven’t heard anything this absurd in a long time. No agreement or coordination on the supply and exhaust vents? How did the other trades handle this, like electrical and plumbing? Did they also keep the locations of outlets and connections a secret?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And even if they had handed them over earlier, there wouldn’t have been any chance to intervene, Again: You are the client. If, for example, the position of a vent didn’t fit with your furniture layout or aesthetic preferences (which preferably shouldn’t be the case for you), you would certainly have the right to request a change in the design—possibly for an additional cost, of course. Not an intervention, but rather being involved in the planning process; this is a reasonable expectation.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
because nothing is specified in the contract regarding the type of outlets, etc., Just because nothing is explicitly stated in the contract doesn’t automatically mean they can build whatever they want without consulting you; after all, you are the client.
haydee schrieb:
Why not floor outlets? As I said, for me personally. I find it difficult to position them in the room. In front of the window? No. On the opposite wall? That’s where we have furniture without legs. Dirt just drips in around the fireplace. I’d rather have ceiling outlets. These are visually less subtle than floor outlets, but they limit the use of floor space less. Upstairs, we have wall outlets. We took a lot of time to consider the positioning, but in terms of practical use, we’ve moved quite far away from the optimum. In the dressing room, cabinets have to be moved to change the filter, and in the children’s rooms, we gave up one possible bed and desk arrangement. It happens.
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R.Hotzenplotz11 Sep 2018 09:43Climbee schrieb:
For me, a general contractor would be out of the question if they are not willing to provide detailed plans to the homeowner for review (and approval!!!) beforehand.
Was this clear from the beginning? That would already be a deal-breaker for me.No, that was not clear at the beginning.
MayrCh schrieb:
How did the other trades handle this, like electrical and plumbing?This was agreed upon during a shell construction meeting and documented in the minutes. Electrical work is a separate trade and wasn’t involved. However, no heights were agreed on there either, and later all the switches had to be reinstalled because one height was drilled that I did not approve. I hadn’t thought to coordinate that beforehand and was surprised that the electrician didn’t have such issues on their checklist.
MayrCh schrieb:
As I said, for me personally. I find it difficult to position them in the room.For us, everything fits fine and I don’t see any issues with the ventilation, so I’m not making a fuss about it.
Can’t we just keep trying to look ahead instead of dwelling on “what if” scenarios?
I can only confirm again: we also wanted to build with a very good local general contractor (GC). He never explained why he preferred a certain type of brick, and we ran into problems because he believed a mechanical ventilation system wasn’t necessary.
Hundreds of other homeowners were happy with him, living in nice houses with zero issues. Did they check everything that was done? Did they study the heating system beforehand? No, they didn’t. They trusted him, especially since this service costs around 50,000 EUR (about 54,000 USD).
We then went with individual contracts and project management—something we wouldn’t have dared to do alone. Even then, things went wrong. But at least I finally took on some responsibility. I couldn’t just hand it over because no one else was there. I had to decide myself where the ventilation would go, and so on.
If I had stayed with the GC, I’m sure I would have just let him handle it—and now I’d be dissatisfied.
Yes, some people here voluntarily educate themselves on everything, etc. I honestly didn’t want to but felt forced to.
And nobody can tell us whether things would have been different if Hotzi had hired an architect. Maybe that would have vastly exceeded the budget, etc.
You can’t know, so it’s pointless.
But from now on, the person responsible should step up. Get informed before things are over, not after. You could have handled the garage door too.
Sit down, see what’s still to come, and educate yourself.
I can only confirm again: we also wanted to build with a very good local general contractor (GC). He never explained why he preferred a certain type of brick, and we ran into problems because he believed a mechanical ventilation system wasn’t necessary.
Hundreds of other homeowners were happy with him, living in nice houses with zero issues. Did they check everything that was done? Did they study the heating system beforehand? No, they didn’t. They trusted him, especially since this service costs around 50,000 EUR (about 54,000 USD).
We then went with individual contracts and project management—something we wouldn’t have dared to do alone. Even then, things went wrong. But at least I finally took on some responsibility. I couldn’t just hand it over because no one else was there. I had to decide myself where the ventilation would go, and so on.
If I had stayed with the GC, I’m sure I would have just let him handle it—and now I’d be dissatisfied.
Yes, some people here voluntarily educate themselves on everything, etc. I honestly didn’t want to but felt forced to.
And nobody can tell us whether things would have been different if Hotzi had hired an architect. Maybe that would have vastly exceeded the budget, etc.
You can’t know, so it’s pointless.
But from now on, the person responsible should step up. Get informed before things are over, not after. You could have handled the garage door too.
Sit down, see what’s still to come, and educate yourself.
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R.Hotzenplotz11 Sep 2018 09:56Snowy36 schrieb:
You could have fixed the garage door as well.Would I do it any differently today? If the building permit / planning permission specifies identical heights, how on earth was I supposed to guess that the doors would actually have different heights?
I wouldn’t even ask for written confirmation that the screed is at the same height in every room.
In our home, they are in front of the windows. Desks in the children’s rooms can be placed underneath; there are no cabinets there anyway, so they hardly stand out. Most of them I notice when cleaning the windows because I am standing on the radiator grille.
However, we don’t have the option to place them either below or above, since they are also used for heating.
However, we don’t have the option to place them either below or above, since they are also used for heating.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Would I do it any differently today? If the building permit / planning permission shows identical heights, how on earth was I supposed to guess that the gates would end up being different heights?
I also wouldn’t ask for written confirmation that the screed is the same height in all rooms. Then I still don’t quite understand why they now have different clearance heights?
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