ᐅ Floor plan design shortly before submitting the building permit application
Created on: 2 Oct 2017 23:25
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello everyone!
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
As some users have requested before, I’m now starting a new thread with the current planning of our detached house, which is about to be finalized.
These are the preliminary drawings for the building permit / planning permission application, and I have one last chance to review them and point out any issues.
It still seems to me that there is less than 1.20m (4 feet) of space between the two wardrobes in the dressing room. Or am I seeing this wrong? Apparently, the rooms on the left and right were overlooked and not adjusted accordingly.
Two Velux ceiling spotlights are still planned to illuminate the upper floor hallway.
In the basement, on the right side in the upper room, a window similar to the one on the left basement side is an option.
We still haven’t decided on the T30 fire-rated door to the garage, even though it is shown in the plans. Most likely, for safety reasons and the limited use of the kitchen at the other end of the house, we will eventually forgo it.
User 11ant pointed out that the right window in child’s room 2 is suboptimally positioned. However, this could still be changed after submitting the building permit / planning permission application. Our architect thinks moving the window to the left would negatively affect the house’s exterior appearance. We’ll have to see about that.
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R.Hotzenplotz13 Jun 2018 12:04Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Then all you can do is keep your fingers crossed that everything will turn out well with the general contractor in the end.Thank you. I don’t think everything with the general contractor is bad either. They put a lot of effort into the planning; there were countless adjustments until we had something we liked in the end. Throughout, they remained patient and understanding.
I don’t believe the issue with the 201 cm (79 inches) was deliberate. They also kindly told me they didn’t understand all the fuss about this topic.
Otherwise, the first inspector’s walkthrough before backfilling the basement revealed no issues. At the structural shell inspection, there were a few points... but overall, it’s definitely not a complete failure. The issue with the patio doors is, so far, the only detail where I now feel during the shell phase that we should definitely have planned it differently. Apart from that, from the current perspective, I would plan the house exactly the same way again. You have to give some credit to the building partner here because it is a joint result. I think in very few projects there aren’t one or more such issues...
All in all, you have already done a lot right. Things can always go wrong when working with an independent architect or architectural firm. Our architect does a really great job, but he is quite busy, so sometimes information is delayed. Our project manager, who is also an architect, handles the plans, tenders, and so on from the back office. Occasionally, communication can be a bit challenging there as well. The more interfaces involved, the more complicated it gets. Smooth processes are rather the exception, and you have to get used to that, because the standards from one’s own profession unfortunately don’t really apply in the construction industry.
Anyway, you’ve probably done the maximum possible with involving “experts” and such. While I personally don’t agree with the comparison between a general contractor (GC) and an architect—since many points seem to me like marketing phrases from GCs (e.g., availability of craftsmen, warranty issues)—the decision is individual. However, I find it confusing to believe that GCs’ architects are generally comparable to independent architects. In my opinion, there are definitely significant quality differences.
I think the only thing that might help is to become much more deeply involved with the project yourself. That takes a huge amount of time, but given the investment sum, it’s hardly avoidable for me. I know almost every detail of our construction drawings by heart, and I have already re-created and modeled them several times in CAD software or SketchUp. Whether you want or can invest that time or effort is a personal decision. But even then there remains a residual risk—a mistake like the one you experienced would have been obvious to me, but perhaps other things might have gone unnoticed...
Fingers crossed that you find a good solution!
Anyway, you’ve probably done the maximum possible with involving “experts” and such. While I personally don’t agree with the comparison between a general contractor (GC) and an architect—since many points seem to me like marketing phrases from GCs (e.g., availability of craftsmen, warranty issues)—the decision is individual. However, I find it confusing to believe that GCs’ architects are generally comparable to independent architects. In my opinion, there are definitely significant quality differences.
I think the only thing that might help is to become much more deeply involved with the project yourself. That takes a huge amount of time, but given the investment sum, it’s hardly avoidable for me. I know almost every detail of our construction drawings by heart, and I have already re-created and modeled them several times in CAD software or SketchUp. Whether you want or can invest that time or effort is a personal decision. But even then there remains a residual risk—a mistake like the one you experienced would have been obvious to me, but perhaps other things might have gone unnoticed...
Fingers crossed that you find a good solution!
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R.Hotzenplotz13 Jun 2018 12:19ruppsn schrieb:
Although I can’t agree with the weighing of general contractor (GC) versus architect, since many points seem to me like marketing phrases from GCs (e.g., availability of subcontractors, warranty issues), the decision is individual. However, I find it confusing to think that GCs’ architects are generally comparable to independent architects. In my opinion, there are clear quality differences.The weighing of GC versus architect did not come from the GC at all! The independent architects themselves said this! That’s the crazy part! The client is threatening to place an order!
I also wrote that I believe the truly good architects usually don’t work as employees of the GC. That’s why construction supervision should start from the planning phase. But the overall planning isn’t that bad either. I do remember there were already discussions during planning when we raised the height of the interior doors to 2.13m (7 feet). The GC wondered if that was really necessary... since it’s probably not often installed. I think they mostly build 80% standard houses without high demands or special requests.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
I don’t quite understand why, with such an expensive house, people don’t even inform themselves about the planning process or the advantages and disadvantages of the different options. Or maybe at the wrong points? – I would have left out the ceiling lamp shopping list drafter.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I think they build about 80% standard houses without high demands or special requests. A general contractor (GC) naturally builds GC houses much more often than architect-designed houses. In theory, you should select the GC whose standards deviate least from your own wishes. But in practice, there is a market, and the perfect match isn’t always available at the right time.
Since the picture with the tall test person, I think the door clearance will ultimately be unproblematic. And besides, I believe smoker balconies in front of bedrooms are overrated, especially when you also have a garden.
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R.Hotzenplotz13 Jun 2018 16:1511ant schrieb:
Or in the wrong places? – I would have left out the ceiling light shopping list drawer.But you wouldn’t have done the lighting planning either, and the general contractor’s architect would have also charged a fee for measurements, etc.
Otherwise, I agree with you regarding the presumed frequency of balcony use. I can also imagine bigger problems. Still, it’s frustrating.
And we don’t smoke.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
But you wouldn’t have done the lighting plan for me either No, not at that "level," but for a modern "smart" home — however, you didn’t want to climb a ladder and pull wires yourself a little.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And we don’t smoke. Then the balcony, except for the part used for hanging laundry, is just decoration.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
It’s still annoying though. But hardly relevant. You’ll walk through there four times a year — sometimes with a Dujardin in the evening, sometimes to quote the chairperson "wonderful, fantastic" while enjoying the sunny morning. A "Juliet balcony" would have been enough for the floor-to-ceiling bathroom window.
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