Hello everyone,
I am currently considering which video door entry system to buy for our single-family house on a hillside.
I find the video feature very useful since our living and dining area is located in the basement, so you don’t have to go upstairs every time the doorbell rings.
There are many versions on the market, and unfortunately, they vary significantly in price.
Do you have any recommendations on which ones to buy?
What do you think about this one?
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Best regards,
Micha
I am currently considering which video door entry system to buy for our single-family house on a hillside.
I find the video feature very useful since our living and dining area is located in the basement, so you don’t have to go upstairs every time the doorbell rings.
There are many versions on the market, and unfortunately, they vary significantly in price.
Do you have any recommendations on which ones to buy?
What do you think about this one?
link removed by moderation; construction expert
Best regards,
Micha
You still need to provide a sign at the entrances to the yard/property. This lets everyone know that video surveillance is in place. Even now, since you mentioned you already have cameras installed.
In principle, any outdoor pinhole camera would work. You need a wide-angle or fisheye lens. In the worst case, a dome camera mounted on the surface could also work. However, it’s better to choose a pinhole camera—it looks much better.
A camera integrated into the doorbell system is not something special. On the contrary, it is usually outdated technology sold at a very high price. Which camera you choose depends on your budget. 100€ (about 110 USD) is too little. Take a look at the AXIS P1224-E. The resolution is sufficient for a doorbell.
How do you plan to record or access the stream? What kind of camera system do you have in your house? Do you still have any licenses available? I get the impression that you are not very familiar with the topic. So please provide this information briefly. We don’t want you to have a proprietary system that can’t integrate standard cameras.
In principle, any outdoor pinhole camera would work. You need a wide-angle or fisheye lens. In the worst case, a dome camera mounted on the surface could also work. However, it’s better to choose a pinhole camera—it looks much better.
A camera integrated into the doorbell system is not something special. On the contrary, it is usually outdated technology sold at a very high price. Which camera you choose depends on your budget. 100€ (about 110 USD) is too little. Take a look at the AXIS P1224-E. The resolution is sufficient for a doorbell.
How do you plan to record or access the stream? What kind of camera system do you have in your house? Do you still have any licenses available? I get the impression that you are not very familiar with the topic. So please provide this information briefly. We don’t want you to have a proprietary system that can’t integrate standard cameras.
K
KampfKraut20 Sep 2019 21:17Yes, the marking is already done – we have been monitoring our property for quite some time.
In theory, there are already 1080p webcams available for around €60 (about $65), right? But I need a camera that can be connected to the network via an Ethernet cable and is accessible through an IP address. Currently, we use an (old) tablet that is permanently mounted on the wall to access our cameras (via an app that is basically always open. This was free since we had the tablet anyway and it works perfectly).
Our camera system (Ctronics Wireless Surveillance Camera Set including 1080P – 4 cameras, weatherproof with night vision – suitable for indoor and outdoor use) integrates the 4 cameras and allows us to view them clearly, for example, on a TV screen.
We have Fritz Fons in the house (AVM FRITZ!Fon MT-F) – with these, the “ringing and then receiving a camera image” function will not work. So it’s sufficient for us to use a standard IP camera on the network.
I haven’t really gone deep into this yet – even though we have over 50 IP devices in the house, 4 Fritzbox routers, etc. (multi-generation house).
PS: Am I correct in understanding that the AXIS P1224-E costs over €400 (about $435)? That’s more than what I paid for the 4 Full HD surveillance cameras.
In theory, there are already 1080p webcams available for around €60 (about $65), right? But I need a camera that can be connected to the network via an Ethernet cable and is accessible through an IP address. Currently, we use an (old) tablet that is permanently mounted on the wall to access our cameras (via an app that is basically always open. This was free since we had the tablet anyway and it works perfectly).
Our camera system (Ctronics Wireless Surveillance Camera Set including 1080P – 4 cameras, weatherproof with night vision – suitable for indoor and outdoor use) integrates the 4 cameras and allows us to view them clearly, for example, on a TV screen.
We have Fritz Fons in the house (AVM FRITZ!Fon MT-F) – with these, the “ringing and then receiving a camera image” function will not work. So it’s sufficient for us to use a standard IP camera on the network.
I haven’t really gone deep into this yet – even though we have over 50 IP devices in the house, 4 Fritzbox routers, etc. (multi-generation house).
PS: Am I correct in understanding that the AXIS P1224-E costs over €400 (about $435)? That’s more than what I paid for the 4 Full HD surveillance cameras.
However, FritzFon supports video when ringing and provides good instructions for this.
There are also alternatives with lower resolution that are cheaper than the suggested Axis camera. If appearance is not that important, you can get by with a dome camera for around €250 (about $270).
Good cameras cost money (night vision, heating, motion detection...) and you can quickly end up spending between €500 and €1000 (about $540 to $1080).
If your current cameras are sufficient for you, that’s great.
I need to check whether you can integrate additional cameras into your existing system.
But using an app on the tablet obviously always works. Just without recording.
There are also alternatives with lower resolution that are cheaper than the suggested Axis camera. If appearance is not that important, you can get by with a dome camera for around €250 (about $270).
Good cameras cost money (night vision, heating, motion detection...) and you can quickly end up spending between €500 and €1000 (about $540 to $1080).
If your current cameras are sufficient for you, that’s great.
I need to check whether you can integrate additional cameras into your existing system.
But using an app on the tablet obviously always works. Just without recording.
K
KampfKraut20 Sep 2019 23:17Does the camera image on the Fritzfon need to have a specific resolution? I think I vaguely remember something about that...
A door camera for €250 (about $270)? Hmm, that’s still quite expensive. When I search for IP cameras, there are models starting from €20 (about $22). If I put some plexiglass in front of it, that should work, right? Or I could just use outdoor cameras. The ones I have in my current system cost €50 (about $54) each and provide excellent pictures with night vision.
Am I allowed to post links to cameras here? Then I could show which ones I mean.
A door camera for €250 (about $270)? Hmm, that’s still quite expensive. When I search for IP cameras, there are models starting from €20 (about $22). If I put some plexiglass in front of it, that should work, right? Or I could just use outdoor cameras. The ones I have in my current system cost €50 (about $54) each and provide excellent pictures with night vision.
Am I allowed to post links to cameras here? Then I could show which ones I mean.
The resolution for the Fritzfon must be 480x640 pixels.
With a good camera, you get multiple streams. For example, one at full resolution for your tablet and recording, and a second one at 480x640 pixels.
Your cameras are like Dacia cars. They get you from A to B but are neither comfortable nor fast…
There are good reasons why high-quality cameras are more expensive. Especially at night, against backlight, protection against tampering, heating, switching speed, and motion detection, the differences are significant. If you haven’t missed these features so far, a cheap dome camera might be sufficient.
And possibly less secure. There have been cases where cheap cameras have transmitted data back to their home country…
In any case, choose an outdoor camera.
It makes sense to have the cameras on a separate (V)LAN and block Internet access as well as access to your own network.
Your Ctronics cameras certainly have nothing to do with this. Cameras should be wired. Your Wi-Fi (2.4 GHz) is easily disrupted. Also, the app runs through a manufacturer’s cloud (do you know where their servers are located?). These are not true IP cameras with an open standard. If the manufacturer shuts down their server, your app view goes dark.
Continuous recording is also not possible, and additional cameras cannot be integrated.
The proper way is to use an NVR or NAS, set up securely with external backup, with cameras connected via Ethernet cable, either exposed or protected in conduit.
Access is then managed through the NVR.
Links are not allowed. But you can simply post the product names.
With a good camera, you get multiple streams. For example, one at full resolution for your tablet and recording, and a second one at 480x640 pixels.
Your cameras are like Dacia cars. They get you from A to B but are neither comfortable nor fast…
There are good reasons why high-quality cameras are more expensive. Especially at night, against backlight, protection against tampering, heating, switching speed, and motion detection, the differences are significant. If you haven’t missed these features so far, a cheap dome camera might be sufficient.
And possibly less secure. There have been cases where cheap cameras have transmitted data back to their home country…
In any case, choose an outdoor camera.
It makes sense to have the cameras on a separate (V)LAN and block Internet access as well as access to your own network.
Your Ctronics cameras certainly have nothing to do with this. Cameras should be wired. Your Wi-Fi (2.4 GHz) is easily disrupted. Also, the app runs through a manufacturer’s cloud (do you know where their servers are located?). These are not true IP cameras with an open standard. If the manufacturer shuts down their server, your app view goes dark.
Continuous recording is also not possible, and additional cameras cannot be integrated.
The proper way is to use an NVR or NAS, set up securely with external backup, with cameras connected via Ethernet cable, either exposed or protected in conduit.
Access is then managed through the NVR.
Links are not allowed. But you can simply post the product names.
K
KampfKraut21 Sep 2019 12:09So with my current cameras, I have one stream in 1080p and another in 640x480.
As I said, I’m completely satisfied with the cameras so far. I live in a village. Here, the door camera is more of a “oh, how cool, you can see which friends are coming” thing rather than a “there’s someone dangerous at the door” situation.
By the way, the surveillance cameras are connected via a wired LAN connection—I’m not a big fan of Wi-Fi cameras. You mentioned yourself that they are very prone to interference.
The camera manufacturer is based in China, and the server is located there as well. I fully expect that some data could be intercepted—therefore, I use an app on the local network that accesses the cameras only locally. So far, I haven’t found a satisfactory (free) solution for remote access.
The current cameras record to a hard drive (about 3 days of footage are stored). If I add the door camera, the storage time would probably decrease to about 1.75 days (roughly).
I’ll take a look at what outdoor cameras I can find and then post the name—though it will likely be a device under 100€ (around $105).
As I said, I’m completely satisfied with the cameras so far. I live in a village. Here, the door camera is more of a “oh, how cool, you can see which friends are coming” thing rather than a “there’s someone dangerous at the door” situation.
By the way, the surveillance cameras are connected via a wired LAN connection—I’m not a big fan of Wi-Fi cameras. You mentioned yourself that they are very prone to interference.
The camera manufacturer is based in China, and the server is located there as well. I fully expect that some data could be intercepted—therefore, I use an app on the local network that accesses the cameras only locally. So far, I haven’t found a satisfactory (free) solution for remote access.
The current cameras record to a hard drive (about 3 days of footage are stored). If I add the door camera, the storage time would probably decrease to about 1.75 days (roughly).
I’ll take a look at what outdoor cameras I can find and then post the name—though it will likely be a device under 100€ (around $105).
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