Hello everyone,
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
fromthisplace schrieb:
I think I found the answer: The DECT signal from the Fritzbox for the phone covers 1-2 floors, so a handset with a network connection on the upper floor is enough, right @MBPassion?If you can receive the DECT signal from the Fritzbox, then you only need a DECT handset with a charging cradle, but no network connection. For example, a Gigaset C430HX. You should avoid placing the Fritzbox inside a steel cabinet.
Otherwise, there are still a few other options:
- Connect the Fritzbox’s telephone port to a patch panel port and connect the analog phone on the other end. In this case, a network cable is used as a telephone cable. You just need to make sure you have the correct cables.
- Use a VoIP DECT base station, like a Gigaset GoBox, connected somewhere in the house to the network. Alternatively, a Fritzbox can also be used as a DECT base station.
- Buy a VoIP phone and connect it directly to the network.
In our old house, we solved this with the Fritzbox by using a duplex cable: one line for WAN going upstairs and the other for LAN going down to the rack. This way, the Fritzbox was on the ground floor and everything worked well. DECT signals from inside a metal enclosure work just as poorly as Wi-Fi from inside a metal enclosure.
There are DECT-LAN gateways from Gigaset, so you only need the SIP credentials from your provider, and the Fritzbox can stay in the basement. Such a device can be placed anywhere in the house.
I still like using landline phones, either as a house phone or as a direct line to parents and in-laws. Also, having a second number is useful when you need to give out a number but don’t want to be disturbed on your mobile. This number then uses the Fritzbox’s internal answering machine, and I call back when I feel like it.
There are DECT-LAN gateways from Gigaset, so you only need the SIP credentials from your provider, and the Fritzbox can stay in the basement. Such a device can be placed anywhere in the house.
I still like using landline phones, either as a house phone or as a direct line to parents and in-laws. Also, having a second number is useful when you need to give out a number but don’t want to be disturbed on your mobile. This number then uses the Fritzbox’s internal answering machine, and I call back when I feel like it.
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fromthisplace22 Mar 2022 16:17hanse987 schrieb:
If your Fritzbox receives DECT, you only need a DECT handset with a charging cradle and no network connection. For example, a Gigaset C430HX. You should avoid placing the Fritzbox inside a steel cabinet. Thanks, that will probably be the solution. Did you see the quote from @MBPassion with the photo? He/She has the Fritzbox inside a "steel cabinet" and still gets DECT reception on the upper floor. I don’t want to overcomplicate the wiring, but I also don’t want to give up the landline phone just yet. The reasons are those mentioned by @Araknis.
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MBPassion22 Mar 2022 17:03@fromthisplace As you correctly noticed, the DECT signal from the network cabinet in the basement (under the cellar stairs) reaches the attic with a FritzFon. You only need a power outlet at the place where the FritzFon will be located, and you can use the comfort features of the Fritzbox. Additionally, you can use the FritzFon app on Android or iOS. This works very well for us too.
If that is not possible, I have listed five more options for enabling telephony in another post:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/festnetztelefonie-im-neubau-was-gibt-es-da-fuer-moeglichkeiten.38041/page-2#post-472166
I hope this helps.
If that is not possible, I have listed five more options for enabling telephony in another post:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/festnetztelefonie-im-neubau-was-gibt-es-da-fuer-moeglichkeiten.38041/page-2#post-472166
I hope this helps.
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fromthisplace15 May 2022 21:21majuhenema schrieb:
Thank you all for your feedback!Dear forum,
we installed our network connections as described in post #49. So, a total of four outlets for ceiling access points. Unfortunately, I overlooked that there should also be a flush-mounted box (flush-mount box / wall box) next to the installation cable. The first precast concrete ceiling is now in place on the basement level. The electrician only installed an empty conduit from the ceiling at that point. I probably won’t have any chance to route both the installation cable and patch cable to the access point, right?
For two upcoming ceilings, I informed our site manager about the need for the flush-mounted empty box as well. I was in a hurry at that time and don’t yet know if this can still be done.
How would you proceed in my situation? Have the concrete of the precast ceiling chiseled out to make room for the installation cable alongside the empty conduit so that the access point can be installed above it?
I’ve been annoyed for days that I missed this tip back then:
MBPassion schrieb:
You should have told the electrician to use a deep flush-mounted box, since the terminated installation cable then still needs to be connected to the access point with a short patch cable. R
RotorMotor15 May 2022 21:36One could try with a core drilling?
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