Hello everyone...
After our first floor plan attempt failed completely, we worked with the architect to develop two more ground floor versions and one for the upper floor. I would like to know which ones you find good or bad, and what you generally like or dislike about the floor plans?! Also, the pantry door is drawn a bit oddly; it won’t actually look like that...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size approximately 480 square meters (5167 square feet)
Slope: No
Floor area ratio: No
Building coverage ratio: No
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 19 meters (62 feet)
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: terrace to the west, bay window to the south
Maximum heights/limits:
Additional specifications:
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type:
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, ages: 2
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office: family use or home office?
Occasional guests per year: family occasionally
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern building method:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen
Number of dining seats:
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace:
Garage, carport:
Utility garden, greenhouse:
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included
House design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company
- Architect: yes
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like and why?
What do you not like and why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system:
Heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions:
- can you do without
- cannot do without:
Open kitchen, guest room, window in every room
After our first floor plan attempt failed completely, we worked with the architect to develop two more ground floor versions and one for the upper floor. I would like to know which ones you find good or bad, and what you generally like or dislike about the floor plans?! Also, the pantry door is drawn a bit oddly; it won’t actually look like that...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size approximately 480 square meters (5167 square feet)
Slope: No
Floor area ratio: No
Building coverage ratio: No
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 19 meters (62 feet)
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: terrace to the west, bay window to the south
Maximum heights/limits:
Additional specifications:
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type:
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, ages: 2
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office: family use or home office?
Occasional guests per year: family occasionally
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern building method:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen
Number of dining seats:
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace:
Garage, carport:
Utility garden, greenhouse:
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included
House design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company
- Architect: yes
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like and why?
What do you not like and why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system:
Heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions:
- can you do without
- cannot do without:
Open kitchen, guest room, window in every room
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zwei&vierzig23 May 2017 10:2011ant schrieb:
As I already mentioned in your thread, the reasons are quite basic (here as well, by the way). When your ideas for the house and the plot are like two different things altogether, the number of attempts before you realize that can be almost endless. Conversely, with every mental block you’re willing to break down, you get closer to solving the problem.
Basically, it’s not difficult: [...]
An architect (that is, a professional house designer) who still makes ten unsuccessful attempts either isn’t listening or doesn’t dare to talk the client out of the most unrealistic ideas.Apart from the fact that furniture can be replaced and everyone has different living requirements, it’s impossible to please everyone. The planner can’t work miracles either.
We wanted 6 rooms (living room, bedroom, 2 offices, and 2 children’s rooms) and a double garage. At the back, there is a building boundary, and on the left and right, we should ideally keep a 4-meter (13 feet) setback, but the plot is only 18 meters (59 feet) wide. You have to make compromises on some points that are less important to you. Do we really need 30 square meters (320 square feet) just for sleeping? Do the children need a 10 square meter (110 square feet) bathroom? We decided no, so we cut back there. Some families share a single bathroom every morning, and downstairs there’s also a second bathroom with a shower as an alternative.
You don’t like our floor plan. That’s okay. But the way you come across here and offer advice on how you think a floor plan should be developed feels condescending and inappropriate to me.
zwei&vierzig schrieb:
You don’t find our floor plan successful. This is about the one by Ev-Marie86; I will comment on your floor plan in your own thread.
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Marvinius23 May 2017 13:10I find the posts by 11ant quite knowledgeable and worth reading....
Marvinius schrieb:
I find 11ant’s posts quite competent and worth reading....I’m glad to hear that. However, just like in my own profession, there are “doctors” who are precise surgeons but not necessarily gentle deliverers of diagnoses. Also, the Berlin bluntness comes across as a bit harsh in written German.
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Ev-Marie8623 May 2017 17:24But when you’re standing there with no clue… hoping that at least the draftsman will tell you “the truth,” and then something like this comes out… we traveled 120 km (75 miles) to the architect—or as I now know, she’s just a draftsman—and somehow ended up pushing the second version with the utility room in the middle… She thought it was “super great,” everything… then I posted this, and I was nearly stunned… I actually thought we were done… We are quite modest, really… We want something nice and practical without a lot of fuss… but neither of us had any clear ideas… We both grew up in large families (each with 4 children) and always had a big house with a garden… Now we live in a 75 sqm (800 sq ft) rental apartment… You can’t compare that to a house… I know you’ve just seen so many things, and I fully respect that… I was just hoping for a few tips… that’s all I wanted…
Ev-Marie86 schrieb:
But if you’re standing there and have no clue ... Actually, you do. You have a solid understanding. About yourself. That’s what you’re building on.
Ev-Marie86 schrieb:
Right now we live in a 75 sqm (800 sq ft) rental apartment... you can’t really compare that to a house... Some things you can. A door in your rental where you bump into it trying to get through with a full laundry basket: that door is too narrow. Then it will be the same in your own house. So you know: it needs to be wider there.
Ev-Marie86 schrieb:
and you hope the draftsman at least tells you "the truth" They’ve been given clear instructions: translate wishes into drawings without scaring off the clients. If a walk-in closet where you get bruised elbows is allowed by the building permit / planning permission, then you’ll get it. Wasting a quarter of the pantry’s width on the track box for the sliding door? They won’t question it. See: clear instructions.
By the way: you really don’t want to know how the draftsman is paid. It’s better that way, otherwise you’d feel sorry for design number three and accept it whether it works or not.
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