ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz27 Aug 2017 22:34kbt09 schrieb:
Hallway is huge, together with the cloakroom it's 27 m² (290 sq ft). Still, you have to first pass through the area that leads to the private rooms (staircase) to get to the slippers, etc.Hmm, I don’t see that as a problem. You can either place the slippers/shoes right next to the front door where there’s space in front of the first floor-to-ceiling window, or handle it inside the cloakroom. The slippers won’t cause the design to fail.
kbt09 schrieb:
The passage to the living area (where in my opinion the planned furniture with the sofa on the right side is wrong) is narrow.The sofa is indeed misplaced.
The passage into the living room is intentional. We want a room that can be closed off with a door, not an open access. There is no direct path from the front door to the living room. Except for the large living and dining area, the floor plan is mostly closed off, which was our explicit request. And if that’s the specification, you can’t make the access any wider. Why would you? We don’t need double doors there.
kbt09 schrieb:
What happens to garden furniture etc. during winter? In the basement?No, there’s a garden shed outside for that purpose. Also, the large garage can possibly be used for some items. We don’t need to carry garden furniture into the basement.
kbt09 schrieb:
Shower in the children's bathroom with entrance directly opposite the bathroom door seems very poorly planned to me.I have explained this a few times already. The architect is still finalizing the floor plan first; the bathroom layout will be decided later, as will the furnishing, for example in the office. The desk won’t stand in the middle of the room but along the right wall. The shower will not stay where it’s currently drawn.
kbt09 schrieb:
Floor-to-ceiling windows in the hallway and guest bathroom… what for, why? In the guest bathroom there will always be something placed inside to prevent guests from looking onto the toilet.I brought this up at the last working meeting with the architect. The only reason is aesthetics. It matches the front door. If you use small square or rectangular windows instead, you lose the connection with the other glass surfaces on the front. At first, I was convinced to change it, but the alternative visualizations they showed me really damaged the front appearance.
I also see no reason to put anything in front of the windows. Like the glass panels in the entrance door and beside it, these will have frosted glass. So I consider this settled.
11ant schrieb:
Personally, I oscillate between still finding the thread "interesting" and being glad about "progress" in the OP’s thought process, and on the other hand finding it tiring that moving a wall by 30 cm (1 ft) is the maximum of what doesn’t require a "visualization" first.Sorry about that; unfortunately, it can’t be helped.
Honestly, I couldn’t imagine your last proposal either. But I think that’s unnecessary because we won’t give up the kitchen bay window with the corner window and will look for solutions elsewhere first. The idea of a finished basement appeals to us. We really like the current floor plan, and unless there’s a compelling need to make changes, we won’t mess with it. I’ll revisit the idea of a roof terrace versus a balcony plus adjusting ground and upper floor walls. If it stays as is, that’s fine with us.
11ant schrieb:
At least I have the impression this is moving toward a solution11ant schrieb:
And I’m pretty sure R.Hotzenplotz will get things done well before Schustrik You can count on that. Nothing is being questioned anymore and I don’t see any serious issues that could derail the whole thing. The current room arrangement and exterior look work for US. Whether parts will be partly brick-clad or not are details to be decided later. But the feeling that this is “our house” when we look at the plans is definitely there now.
11ant schrieb:
Combined with the covered passage between the gate and the front door, it’s especially redundant / doubled.At first, the idea made sense when the entry area was more connected to the kitchen. Now that appeal is gone. However, the access doesn’t harm anything and removing it wouldn’t gain us much. The generous spaces on the ground floor are necessary for this room program—especially combined with the upper floor—which balances out the proportions. The upper floor ratios are right. Only the children’s rooms are slightly larger than strictly necessary, due to the construction simplifications we worked out here.
11ant schrieb:
I believe there was no official survey—only photos / Google Earth aerial images. New development from the 60s/70s, little slope, with a tree in front of the planned garage door, still built with a bungalow.I do need to look that up and post it (though it will probably get lost within a week again).
We feel very comfortable with the current status. It would take a serious setback—something we completely overlooked—to make us reconsider major parts now. We want to submit the building permit / planning permission soon...
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
However, the access doesn’t hurt, and removing it doesn’t really benefit us. If I had to choose which duplication to eliminate, it would be the front door canopy extending across the garage. In a few years, it will be outdated and then become a blemish of its "style era." This feature alone costs half as much as the entire kitchen bay window. I would align the garage facade with the main front and leave it at that.
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R.Hotzenplotz27 Aug 2017 22:5611ant schrieb:
I would move the garage front to align with this plane and be done.That’s also an idea. Not bad at all. I’ll have to think about it.
11ant schrieb:
Calculate the solid construction house Mittelrhein as Adventis or Domus (or as a last resort, Villa).If I’m not mistaken, both house types have a pitched roof. On the other hand, they also include flat roofs with the Domus model. Why specifically request these, and not the "custom design" mentioned on their website? Aren’t the two model lines more or less fixed in their floor plans and so on? Unfortunately, the website doesn’t explain this very well.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
That’s also an idea. Not bad at all. I’ll have to think about it. But it’s not new; I already mentioned or “sketched” it before.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
If I understand correctly, the two house types are gable roof houses. On the other hand, Domus also offers flat roofs. Why specifically ask about those and not the "custom design" mentioned on their website? Yes, of course your house, not a predefined model. I thought to transfer the style and equipment lines accordingly.
With @Dan8070 and @daniels87 you can see (with gable roofs, and also with @RobsonMKK) good examples of how to build houses with simple basic shapes without becoming tacky. The Adventis series fits that category well; in terms of size and style, your house is closer to Domus and Villa. That’s why I selected these three as examples.
Regarding providers for comparison with Artos, I tend to favor Massivhaus Mittelrhein more than Zenz or Econ. But that can be partly a gut feeling. Stylistically, Kern would not be far off either. In my view, all of these would be suitable candidates for comparisons on an appropriate level. As for Baumeister, I would consider that style more later on.
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R.Hotzenplotz27 Aug 2017 23:3311ant schrieb:
Regarding providers for a comparison with Artos, I tend to favor Massivhaus Mittelrhein more than Zenz or Econ. But that can partly be a matter of personal preference. Stylistically, Kern would also not be far off. In my view, all of these would be suitable candidates for comparisons at the appropriate level. I would consider Baumeister stylistically only at a later stage.I think the phase after submitting the building permit application until its approval is ideal for obtaining alternative offers. Otherwise, you can’t really compare later on, as you will still be dealing with—even if minor—changes.
I will start by reaching out to the trades to be separated out. Plumbing! How will the bathrooms look... Electrical work—very important. The biggest challenge might first be finding a suitable electrician for this project. A couple of friends recommend getting three quotes from different electricians.
We would probably separate out from the general contractor contract:
- Electrical
- Plumbing
- Possibly the door installer
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
The biggest challenge will probably be finding a suitable electrician I can connect you with a home automation specialist; the actual cable installation can then be done by someone who only planned for outlets.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
- possibly door manufacturer Interior doors require expertise, so it’s best to rely on personal recommendations. For the front door, I would recommend aluminum, even if you prefer uPVC for the windows. With that entrance width, you can probably budget for about eight large bills.
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