ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
R
R.Hotzenplotz21 Jun 2017 15:4111ant schrieb:
He did. The pipe is inside the wall.And is that problematic?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And that's problematic? Visually, not for me—I noticed it anyway. However, I’m using a desktop here; I only use the smartphone for calls.
Structurally, I don’t think it’s problematic, just demanding; I would be interested in seeing the construction drawings and/or photos from the build.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Jun 2017 20:51This is a previous upper floor plan. After sleeping on it overnight, I find the sequence of bathroom / laundry here better. Having to pass the dressing room AND the laundry room from the bedroom on the way to the bathroom seems odd.
Otherwise, I have also taken away some impressions from what was written here that probably don’t fit well, and I would like to give the architect some guidance on these. The question is how and with what wording?
Overall, the following points are relevant for me:
- The wardrobe feels like a corridor; how wide is it exactly, and could it be an option to design it open instead? It won’t shift towards the garage. My wife wants to keep it as it is, and I have been able to implement my wishes elsewhere.
- Would it help the floor plan to abandon the continuous staircase in favor of a simpler layout by planning a corner staircase in a less prominent location?
- Could it make sense to slightly reduce the pantry on the right to create a more generous passageway to the living room? The access to the kitchen would then move more to the left (the kitchen is already too large anyway).
- With a different staircase solution, the house might actually become a bit shorter (at the front!), aiming to bring the kitchen down to a more suitable size. Alternatively, the gained space could be used for the living room, which seems a bit small (I’m still considering if the 5.69 meters (18.7 feet) might be enough... we want to install surround speakers and they should be behind, not next to, the sofa).
Upper floor:
- The door from the corridor to the master suite should open outwards, not inwards; going into the bedroom otherwise seems unnecessarily complicated to me.
- The corridor is probably really too narrow. I estimate it at about 1 meter (3.3 feet), as well as the staircase, which we would prefer about 10 cm (4 inches) wider, making the corridor noticeably wider. Here it is 1.40 m (4.6 feet), which is comfortable without being excessive.
- I also noticed that the bathtub placed in the corner between three walls bothers me a lot. It does not suit such a large house at all. This would be resolved if laundry and bathing were swapped, but the corner remains and a larger children’s bathroom wouldn’t help...
- The comment about the “corridor” in the children’s room was also good. But here too, I don’t see a real solution without a more or less completely new design with a new staircase orientation.
Somehow, I feel the staircase is the problem for many of these points.
I find it difficult to approach this. I don’t want to have 3-4 designs done. So, I should describe as concretely as possible which alternatives or adjustments should be made.
If anyone has input on this, I would be happy! Otherwise, I will probably just have the minimum necessary adjustments made. That would be the corridor width, swapping the bathrooms, and possibly the wardrobe situation.
Otherwise, I have also taken away some impressions from what was written here that probably don’t fit well, and I would like to give the architect some guidance on these. The question is how and with what wording?
Overall, the following points are relevant for me:
- The wardrobe feels like a corridor; how wide is it exactly, and could it be an option to design it open instead? It won’t shift towards the garage. My wife wants to keep it as it is, and I have been able to implement my wishes elsewhere.
- Would it help the floor plan to abandon the continuous staircase in favor of a simpler layout by planning a corner staircase in a less prominent location?
- Could it make sense to slightly reduce the pantry on the right to create a more generous passageway to the living room? The access to the kitchen would then move more to the left (the kitchen is already too large anyway).
- With a different staircase solution, the house might actually become a bit shorter (at the front!), aiming to bring the kitchen down to a more suitable size. Alternatively, the gained space could be used for the living room, which seems a bit small (I’m still considering if the 5.69 meters (18.7 feet) might be enough... we want to install surround speakers and they should be behind, not next to, the sofa).
Upper floor:
- The door from the corridor to the master suite should open outwards, not inwards; going into the bedroom otherwise seems unnecessarily complicated to me.
- The corridor is probably really too narrow. I estimate it at about 1 meter (3.3 feet), as well as the staircase, which we would prefer about 10 cm (4 inches) wider, making the corridor noticeably wider. Here it is 1.40 m (4.6 feet), which is comfortable without being excessive.
- I also noticed that the bathtub placed in the corner between three walls bothers me a lot. It does not suit such a large house at all. This would be resolved if laundry and bathing were swapped, but the corner remains and a larger children’s bathroom wouldn’t help...
- The comment about the “corridor” in the children’s room was also good. But here too, I don’t see a real solution without a more or less completely new design with a new staircase orientation.
Somehow, I feel the staircase is the problem for many of these points.
I find it difficult to approach this. I don’t want to have 3-4 designs done. So, I should describe as concretely as possible which alternatives or adjustments should be made.
If anyone has input on this, I would be happy! Otherwise, I will probably just have the minimum necessary adjustments made. That would be the corridor width, swapping the bathrooms, and possibly the wardrobe situation.
Now in large and at your leisure
You have uploaded a PDF and a JPG—they are different. The pantry is sometimes here and sometimes there.
I also prefer your hand sketch. This may be because a) I don’t like large islands attached to a wall. They are impractical and don’t allow you to walk all around the island. In your case, it seems people are more likely to go through the hallway than really use the kitchen, since the path around the small island is too long. b) For kitchens over 20 m² (215 sq ft), the walking distances become less ergonomic for cooking and simply too long.
Otherwise, I don’t find the other rooms excessively large now. And a minimum distance of 3 meters (10 ft) in a children’s room is not too narrow either. The room is not 3 x 4 meters (10 x 13 ft) nor is it 2.40 meters (8 ft) wide as often chosen before. It is a decent-sized room, where even on the wall behind the door there is enough space for a proper shelving unit or cabinet… A closet with 60 cm (24 inches) depth may be tight though?! I would question that, since even youth wardrobes tend to be that deep.
For the kitchen layout, you could consider rotating the island by 90 degrees so that you see it when entering and can walk around it more easily.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Currently, the digital architect’s draft is available.
You have uploaded a PDF and a JPG—they are different. The pantry is sometimes here and sometimes there.
I also prefer your hand sketch. This may be because a) I don’t like large islands attached to a wall. They are impractical and don’t allow you to walk all around the island. In your case, it seems people are more likely to go through the hallway than really use the kitchen, since the path around the small island is too long. b) For kitchens over 20 m² (215 sq ft), the walking distances become less ergonomic for cooking and simply too long.
Otherwise, I don’t find the other rooms excessively large now. And a minimum distance of 3 meters (10 ft) in a children’s room is not too narrow either. The room is not 3 x 4 meters (10 x 13 ft) nor is it 2.40 meters (8 ft) wide as often chosen before. It is a decent-sized room, where even on the wall behind the door there is enough space for a proper shelving unit or cabinet… A closet with 60 cm (24 inches) depth may be tight though?! I would question that, since even youth wardrobes tend to be that deep.
For the kitchen layout, you could consider rotating the island by 90 degrees so that you see it when entering and can walk around it more easily.
R
R.Hotzenplotz21 Jun 2017 22:14ypg schrieb:
Now in full size and at your convenience
You uploaded a PDF and a JPG – they are different. The pantry is sometimes here and sometimes there.
Oops. The PDF in my first post is outdated. We swapped the kitchen and pantry because in the original version the large kitchen received very little natural light through the small window. I don’t think that layout worked, even though the connection to the living room was better.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Jun 2017 22:34I still owe Maria a reply.
So far, we haven’t considered an alternative to a wood-burning fireplace. It’s also not yet 100% certain that we will install one. My wife is rather against it because she suspects we won’t use it much, as we would likely avoid the maintenance.
So far, we haven’t considered an alternative to a wood-burning fireplace. It’s also not yet 100% certain that we will install one. My wife is rather against it because she suspects we won’t use it much, as we would likely avoid the maintenance.
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