ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz16 Sep 2017 13:5911ant schrieb:
Floor-to-ceiling glazing here would also be fixed panes, so nothing would tilt open. A ventilator is needed in the bathroom.They are supposedly tilt-and-turn windows, and they are drawn as such.
11ant schrieb:
The large "partial" basement offers as much space as a full basement usually requires. You don’t need two home cinemas. The small partial basement is disproportionately expensive; I’d rather extend the garage to 9 m (30 feet) and skip the basement altogether.Well, the living room isn’t a home cinema. You can never create proper cinema sound there when the family is sleeping, etc. I want to have real equipment in there, and that’s only possible in the basement of a detached single-family house.
Besides that, there are things you’d rather store in a basement than in a 9 m (30 feet) long garage.
11ant schrieb:
The savings from skipping the basement and extending the garage (and possibly gaining 20° roof pitch for more attic space) could cover accommodating grandma differently: if she visits twice a year for two weeks each, the children could share rooms once, and for the other stay, she could definitely find a good deal at a nearby bed and breakfast.Bed and breakfast... I wasn’t planning to get divorced that quickly.
One solution would indeed be to accommodate her in one of the children’s rooms. But we would still like to have a basement for storage, building services, and a home cinema...
Even the large partial basement is not a dealbreaker in terms of cost.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
They are supposed to be tilt-and-turn windows Floor-to-ceiling tilt windows in unattended ground floor rooms—such an idea would never occur to me. I clearly prefer having the same height as the kitchen window, fixed in the cloakroom, and tilt-and-turn in the bathroom.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Hotel Garni...... I didn’t want to get divorced so quickly. That’s exactly why I would give grandma a room with a bathroom, with breakfast optionally either at the hotel or with the family.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Even the large partial basement is not a cost breaker Then take the large partial basement; the small partial basement is a relatively expensive joke.
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R.Hotzenplotz16 Sep 2017 16:3611ant schrieb:
Floor-to-ceiling tilt windows in unsupervised ground-floor rooms — I would never even consider that. I clearly prefer the kitchen window to be at the same height, fixed window in the cloakroom, and tilt-and-turn in the bathroom.Good thing we noticed that in time.
Would you seriously have chosen a bathroom without a tilt window? I don’t think that’s acceptable, exhaust fan or not.
Then both windows could also be fitted with roller shutters (although the front side mainly has venetian blinds; however, I don’t think those really suit these windows).
If all else fails, we’ll just install aluminum roller shutters everywhere and be done with it.
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R.Hotzenplotz17 Sep 2017 16:42What are your thoughts on burglary prevention?
We don’t have a basement door that would be a vulnerable point, but the T30 fire-rated door from the garage to the house is a textbook example of a weak spot for a burglar. The contractor recommended securing it from the inside with a solid continuous bolt. However, I wouldn’t want to remove such a bolt every time. Unfortunately, this is a point that still has me undecided: should we install the door or not...
My wife is very worried about break-ins and mentioned, after talking with a neighbor, that she would prefer roller shutters everywhere instead of venetian blinds. But do roller shutters really offer significantly better burglary protection? More important would probably be windows and doors with RC2 (resistance class 2) security features, right?
In the guest room, we won’t install a 76cm (30 inches) window but a shallower one that no one could fit through; then we wouldn’t need a heavily secured security grille. We don’t want a light well anyway, just a window with a basement grille. Such a grille would also be necessary for the home theater. The building services engineer says it’s not necessary to install the home systems in a separate room if there is a window.
Speaking of building services: how about placing the utility room in the smaller 6m² (65 square feet) space and moving the storage room to the right? We’re talking about the larger partial basement option here! We have made a final decision on that.
We don’t have a basement door that would be a vulnerable point, but the T30 fire-rated door from the garage to the house is a textbook example of a weak spot for a burglar. The contractor recommended securing it from the inside with a solid continuous bolt. However, I wouldn’t want to remove such a bolt every time. Unfortunately, this is a point that still has me undecided: should we install the door or not...
My wife is very worried about break-ins and mentioned, after talking with a neighbor, that she would prefer roller shutters everywhere instead of venetian blinds. But do roller shutters really offer significantly better burglary protection? More important would probably be windows and doors with RC2 (resistance class 2) security features, right?
In the guest room, we won’t install a 76cm (30 inches) window but a shallower one that no one could fit through; then we wouldn’t need a heavily secured security grille. We don’t want a light well anyway, just a window with a basement grille. Such a grille would also be necessary for the home theater. The building services engineer says it’s not necessary to install the home systems in a separate room if there is a window.
Speaking of building services: how about placing the utility room in the smaller 6m² (65 square feet) space and moving the storage room to the right? We’re talking about the larger partial basement option here! We have made a final decision on that.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
to secure it from the inside with a solid continuous bar. But I wouldn’t want to remove such a bar every time The locking bolts of the bar are operated via a lock, naturally operable from both sides.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
My wife is very afraid of break-ins Women also tend to get cold feet.
Seriously: if it’s the most upscale place on the street, that’s a valid concern. It won’t be just any junkie breaking in to check if there’s a twenty-dollar bill hidden in the coffee can. This is no place for amateurs.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
In the guest room, we won’t install a 76mm (3 inch) window but a shallower one to prevent anyone from getting through; Light has to be able to come through, otherwise you don’t really need a window. Back when burglars were still grown adults, XY was still hosted by Eduard Zimmermann.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
How about placing the utility room in the small 6m² (65 sq ft) room and moving the storage room to the right? From my point of view, it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other; there will be downpipes in both locations, and risers make sense in both places. The smaller utility room would then be dedicated purely to technical equipment, since there wouldn’t be space for anything else.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
We are talking about the larger partial basement of the two options here! We have made a final decision on that. Yes, in my opinion, it’s time to check off individual items on the list.
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R.Hotzenplotz17 Sep 2017 20:1411ant schrieb:
Yes, from my perspective, it’s time to check off individual items from the list.Definitely. Everything relevant for the building permit / planning permission must be decided tomorrow since they are supposed to start working on it then. The only open point here might have been the basement and – possibly – the question regarding the two floor-to-ceiling windows next to the entrance. I’m not sure how the building permit / planning permission handles the T30 door to the house. The tendency would be to keep it, but we would only do so if it is very secure against break-ins, and if it costs around €3,000 plus extras, that would be too much for us. As for the rest, like external blinds versus roller shutters, I don’t think that’s a deal-breaker, but it should still be finalized soon.
11ant schrieb:
The locking bolts of the latch are operated via a lock, of course operable from both sides.Wouldn’t that be too noticeable when standing in the cloakroom? We wanted to keep it open (another point I hadn’t noticed before and wasn’t included as discussed in the last draft...).
11ant schrieb:
Light has to pass through, otherwise you don’t need a window. Back when burglars were still always adults, XY was still hosted by Eduard Zimmermann.Based on that, what would be your suggestion for the one or two basement windows?
11ant schrieb:
From my point of view, it’s the same either way; there will be downpipes in both places and risers make sense in both locations. In the smaller utility room, there would then consistently be only technical equipment because nothing else fits.My point was also to place the technical equipment in just one room as compact as necessary and to be able to reach it more quickly from the basement stairs....
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