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Would you place the control switches for the roller shutters directly at each window (as our construction manager suggests) or rather near the room entrance with the other light switches (as we proposed)?
Would you place the control switches for the roller shutters directly at each window (as our construction manager suggests) or rather near the room entrance with the other light switches (as we proposed)?
Grym schrieb:
Controlling via remote control or app is usually more complicated and takes longer than using existing fixed switches directly.The control system does not prevent those who prefer traditional methods from using the switches as they are used to with pure hardware controls. Both can peacefully coexist. In my circle of friends, it works like this – the father and son are tinkerers, and the mother prefers a clear, straightforward logic: "on is on and off is off." She can simply operate the hardware switches "as usual." Even with priority. But if she does nothing (or does nothing differently), then the blinds automatically get the sunset time from the internet.
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But don’t forget the window sensor, otherwise the roller shutter will close even if someone is still outside. Unless, of course, the door just slammed shut but is still open. In that case, the window sensor won’t help either. And hopefully, you’re not busy stargazing with the kids when the shutter starts to go down—that would be quite disruptive. If none of these scenarios or a thousand other cases apply, then automation can be useful and will probably save about 2.4 seconds. That’s not negligible time, although a Formula 1 pit stop takes longer.
Again, you can certainly do it. I just don’t see the cost (see Steffen’s example: 80,000 EUR) and the benefit (a few seconds saved per day, assuming everything works perfectly) as proportionate. Unlike a controlled residential ventilation system (12,000 EUR; 45 minutes saved per day; lower risk of mold; significant energy savings; much lower indoor pollutant levels; significantly less fine dust ingress from outside, etc.).
But if I had a fixed budget of 10 million EUR and had to spend it, I would also have every roller shutter switched three ways (locally, remotely, centrally) and controlled via KNX/solar sensors/or something similar. I’m not saying it’s pointless. I’m just saying it ranks very low in terms of cost-benefit. And as mentioned, those saved seconds still have to be maintained and renewed.
Again, you can certainly do it. I just don’t see the cost (see Steffen’s example: 80,000 EUR) and the benefit (a few seconds saved per day, assuming everything works perfectly) as proportionate. Unlike a controlled residential ventilation system (12,000 EUR; 45 minutes saved per day; lower risk of mold; significant energy savings; much lower indoor pollutant levels; significantly less fine dust ingress from outside, etc.).
But if I had a fixed budget of 10 million EUR and had to spend it, I would also have every roller shutter switched three ways (locally, remotely, centrally) and controlled via KNX/solar sensors/or something similar. I’m not saying it’s pointless. I’m just saying it ranks very low in terms of cost-benefit. And as mentioned, those saved seconds still have to be maintained and renewed.
To each their own... I hardly press any buttons or switches anymore... everything just works on its own...
I don’t even care if I save a nanosecond or not... The fact is, I don’t have to get up from the couch or press anything when I come home... I can also be sure that when I leave, the house protects itself automatically and, for example, gives the impression that someone is home by occasionally operating the shutters and turning lights on and off.
...and these are just a few examples of the increased convenience... there’s so much more... the only limits are really in your mind...
But as I said, to each their own...
I don’t even care if I save a nanosecond or not... The fact is, I don’t have to get up from the couch or press anything when I come home... I can also be sure that when I leave, the house protects itself automatically and, for example, gives the impression that someone is home by occasionally operating the shutters and turning lights on and off.
...and these are just a few examples of the increased convenience... there’s so much more... the only limits are really in your mind...
But as I said, to each their own...
Grym schrieb:
Therefore, it would hardly be possible for us to automate something meaningful. But if it’s just about raising them in the morning and lowering them in the evening — that’s definitely no problem. And if that is the only requirement, I might consider automating it.There have been small control units available from Gira and others for a long time that can be installed behind the standard roller shutter switches (or wherever else needed) with group control and timers. We currently have this in our rental apartment as well (three roller shutters controlled together in the living room). I don’t think it cost much, I’d guess around 200€ (about $220). So, there’s no need to go for a complex sensor system just to implement simple features.
A typical Grym...
These two statements belong on a bulletin board somewhere... (preferably at the blinds manufacturer)
The real issue is probably here...
This is only necessary if the system was built incompetently, the installer had no plan or creativity in implementing the residents’ wishes...and everything strictly follows a fixed scheme without continuous and autonomous adjustment to the conditions/environment (which modern systems usually can manage).
But it doesn’t matter, this is about switches at the door or window, not about the sense or nonsense of automation...
So back to the topic... Any further posts on this will be removed without comment... there are plenty of threads where this topic can be discussed.
Grym schrieb:
there is simply no mathematically representable automation for these internal blinds
Grym schrieb:
numerous, technically immeasurable factors
These two statements belong on a bulletin board somewhere... (preferably at the blinds manufacturer)
Grym schrieb:
automation from A to Z is too complicated for me
The real issue is probably here...
Grym schrieb:
reprogramming and rethinking.
This is only necessary if the system was built incompetently, the installer had no plan or creativity in implementing the residents’ wishes...and everything strictly follows a fixed scheme without continuous and autonomous adjustment to the conditions/environment (which modern systems usually can manage).
But it doesn’t matter, this is about switches at the door or window, not about the sense or nonsense of automation...
So back to the topic... Any further posts on this will be removed without comment... there are plenty of threads where this topic can be discussed.
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