ᐅ Floor plan for a single-family home with two full stories and a recessed/stepped top floor
Created on: 15 Mar 2021 22:05
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StephanM
Dear Homebuilding Forum,
As a newcomer to your group, here is the completed profile of our building project:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 637sqm (6860 sq ft)
Slope: no, completely flat
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building window, building line and boundary: street frontage 17.6m (58 ft), 3m (10 ft) setback on left and right sides, building window 11.6m (38 ft) wide x 12.5m (41 ft) deep
Adjacent buildings: single-family houses
Number of parking spaces: two possible
Number of floors: 2 full stories plus 1 setback floor with flat roof (minimum 1m (3 ft) recess on all four sides)
Roof type: gable roof & flat roof
Architectural style: many options allowed as long as aligned with design guidelines
Orientation: south-facing
Maximum height/limits: 9m (30 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof form, building type: simple, timeless, flat roof, cube-shaped
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, 1st floor, 2nd floor as setback level
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 4 children between 1 and 6 years
Space requirements ground floor, upper floors: ground floor approx. 105-110sqm (1130-1180 sq ft), 1st floor approx. 100-105sqm (1080-1130 sq ft), 2nd floor approx. 40-45sqm (430-480 sq ft)
Office: family use or home office? 1 home office
Guest bedrooms per year: very rare
Open or closed architecture: open concept
Conservative or modern construction: conservative design
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: at least 6, extendable to 8-9
Fireplace: maybe, but chimney routing is a bit complicated
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: balcony on 1st floor to soften the building volume, possibly a roof terrace on the 2nd floor if not too complicated
Garage, carport: originally planned garage on one side including storage and carport on the other side, now tend to only carport as garage affects overall appearance
Utility garden, greenhouse: kindergarten ;-)
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons for why this or that should or should not be included
House Design
Who designed it:
Do-it-Yourself
What do you like most and why?
That it was possible to arrange spacious children’s rooms and create space for two bathrooms. Public living areas on the ground floor, children’s floor on the 1st floor, and parents’ area on the 2nd floor.
What do you like least and why?
I’m uncertain about the positioning of the bathrooms relative to each other (complexity due to drainage pipes), and which staircase best serves the 1st floor layout. The building volume is still not ideal, but I have no further ideas on how to meet the zoning requirements.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 640,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: approx. 700,000 EUR
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions
- can you do without: additional room in the setback floor, terrace in the setback floor, already gave up on double garage as it overly restricted the floor plan :-( possibly external basement stairs
- cannot do without: 4 large children’s/teenage rooms, setback floor because we can’t fit all rooms on just 2 floors, basement as a lot of stuff accumulates with 4 children...
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Because after many nights of planning I couldn’t come up with a better solution...
What makes it in your opinion particularly good or bad?
It meets our requirements on paper, but I lack the experience to judge whether it will work well in practice, which is why I’m asking for your opinions.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
How can I best organize the living space (especially but not only the 1st floor) and use the proper staircase design to create a spacious hallway without wasting area?
That was quite a bit of work ;-) I hope this information is useful for the further discussion.
In the next post I’ll share the floor plans and some exterior views (if I manage the attachments...)
Thank you in advance for your time reviewing this and for your honest and constructive feedback on the current design!
Best regards
Stephan
As a newcomer to your group, here is the completed profile of our building project:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 637sqm (6860 sq ft)
Slope: no, completely flat
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building window, building line and boundary: street frontage 17.6m (58 ft), 3m (10 ft) setback on left and right sides, building window 11.6m (38 ft) wide x 12.5m (41 ft) deep
Adjacent buildings: single-family houses
Number of parking spaces: two possible
Number of floors: 2 full stories plus 1 setback floor with flat roof (minimum 1m (3 ft) recess on all four sides)
Roof type: gable roof & flat roof
Architectural style: many options allowed as long as aligned with design guidelines
Orientation: south-facing
Maximum height/limits: 9m (30 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof form, building type: simple, timeless, flat roof, cube-shaped
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, 1st floor, 2nd floor as setback level
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 4 children between 1 and 6 years
Space requirements ground floor, upper floors: ground floor approx. 105-110sqm (1130-1180 sq ft), 1st floor approx. 100-105sqm (1080-1130 sq ft), 2nd floor approx. 40-45sqm (430-480 sq ft)
Office: family use or home office? 1 home office
Guest bedrooms per year: very rare
Open or closed architecture: open concept
Conservative or modern construction: conservative design
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: at least 6, extendable to 8-9
Fireplace: maybe, but chimney routing is a bit complicated
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: balcony on 1st floor to soften the building volume, possibly a roof terrace on the 2nd floor if not too complicated
Garage, carport: originally planned garage on one side including storage and carport on the other side, now tend to only carport as garage affects overall appearance
Utility garden, greenhouse: kindergarten ;-)
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons for why this or that should or should not be included
House Design
Who designed it:
Do-it-Yourself
What do you like most and why?
That it was possible to arrange spacious children’s rooms and create space for two bathrooms. Public living areas on the ground floor, children’s floor on the 1st floor, and parents’ area on the 2nd floor.
What do you like least and why?
I’m uncertain about the positioning of the bathrooms relative to each other (complexity due to drainage pipes), and which staircase best serves the 1st floor layout. The building volume is still not ideal, but I have no further ideas on how to meet the zoning requirements.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 640,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: approx. 700,000 EUR
Preferred heating system: geothermal
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions
- can you do without: additional room in the setback floor, terrace in the setback floor, already gave up on double garage as it overly restricted the floor plan :-( possibly external basement stairs
- cannot do without: 4 large children’s/teenage rooms, setback floor because we can’t fit all rooms on just 2 floors, basement as a lot of stuff accumulates with 4 children...
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Because after many nights of planning I couldn’t come up with a better solution...
What makes it in your opinion particularly good or bad?
It meets our requirements on paper, but I lack the experience to judge whether it will work well in practice, which is why I’m asking for your opinions.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
How can I best organize the living space (especially but not only the 1st floor) and use the proper staircase design to create a spacious hallway without wasting area?
That was quite a bit of work ;-) I hope this information is useful for the further discussion.
In the next post I’ll share the floor plans and some exterior views (if I manage the attachments...)
Thank you in advance for your time reviewing this and for your honest and constructive feedback on the current design!
Best regards
Stephan
StephanM schrieb:
What exactly do you mean by “over”? Over as in unnecessary? How do you arrive at that? Because of the room layout?
Regards, Stephan Yes, exactly! To me, it all looks like placeholder rooms. Without any real function. Four rooms or so just for storage…?
Dear forum,
Although some time has passed since our last “discussion,” we have used this period to have our design thoroughly reviewed by an independent architect. Overall, we found this additional review very helpful and it led to several changes.
In addition to the façade design (windows and dimensions), the floor plan of the stepped upper floor was optimized, door arrangements adjusted, and, besides one bathroom, two lift-and-slide doors were removed. The supply lines and structural planning were also pre-designed.
Here is a brief summary of the changes since the last floor plan publication (post 41).
Ground floor:
1st floor:
2nd floor:
General changes: Window dimensions were standardized and their arrangement chosen carefully.
Now to our floor plan questions:
Additionally, we have some technical questions. I’m sharing these here just for information, knowing they might be better suited to another subforum. However, if you happen to have opinions on these, please feel free to share ;-) .
Technical questions:
Thank you very much for your time and your thoughts on the above points or any other feedback ;-)
Best regards,
Stephan
Although some time has passed since our last “discussion,” we have used this period to have our design thoroughly reviewed by an independent architect. Overall, we found this additional review very helpful and it led to several changes.
In addition to the façade design (windows and dimensions), the floor plan of the stepped upper floor was optimized, door arrangements adjusted, and, besides one bathroom, two lift-and-slide doors were removed. The supply lines and structural planning were also pre-designed.
Here is a brief summary of the changes since the last floor plan publication (post 41).
Ground floor:
- The built-in cloak closet was made slightly narrower to align with the width of the staircase. As an alternative solution, we considered a built-in unit surrounding the guest bathroom door, designed as a children’s cloakroom.
- The guest room door was shifted slightly to create space for a closet behind it.
1st floor:
- The second children’s bathroom (previously located directly above the guest bathroom) was removed. This room will now be used as a utility room with washer and dryer, or as storage.
- Doors to the children’s rooms, bathroom, and utility room were slightly shifted to make the layout more appealing and to create space for closets behind the doors.
- The built-in closet opposite the staircase was reduced in size to allow for a more pleasing bathroom layout including a bathtub. The walls are to be constructed as lightweight partitions to conceal the “main service lines” behind them.
2nd floor:
- The dressing/sewing/office room is now accessible directly from the hallway, so the bedroom is no longer a walkthrough room.
- The bathtub in the master bathroom has been removed; one on the 1st floor will suffice. The bathroom is now also accessible directly from the hallway. Overall, the layout now seems more logical, especially regarding daily routes (bed → closet → bathroom).
- This also allowed for a better bed positioning with a view outside.
- The lift-and-slide doors in the dressing/sewing/office room and bedroom were removed and replaced by fixed glazing and a glass door.
General changes: Window dimensions were standardized and their arrangement chosen carefully.
Now to our floor plan questions:
- For the master suite level, we can basically imagine two versions that result in the same square footage. Version 1 has two offsets (bathroom and bedroom). The advantage here is that the water supply lines (fresh and wastewater) would be located above the drywall partitions of the children’s bathroom and could be hidden within them. Version 2 has no offsets, making it simpler to build; however, the lines would not run above the children’s bathroom lines. We have no idea if this complicates the plumbing significantly. Which option would you prefer and why? Or do you have a completely new idea?
- The stair exit on the 2nd floor is only 1.30 m (4.3 ft). In your experience, is this sufficient?
Additionally, we have some technical questions. I’m sharing these here just for information, knowing they might be better suited to another subforum. However, if you happen to have opinions on these, please feel free to share ;-) .
Technical questions:
- Floor construction: We are dealing with height restrictions, so we are negotiating every centimeter. The general contractor plans on 19 cm (7.5 inches) floor buildup per level; the architect says 15–16 cm (6–6.3 inches) should suffice. His calculation is as follows: concrete slab → 50 mm (2 inches) insulation with ventilation ducts (50 mm (2 inches) in height), supply and return pipes for heating, fresh water, electrical wiring → backfilling with perlite beads → 20–30 mm (0.8–1.2 inches) insulation → 20 mm (0.8 inches) underfloor heating → 45 mm (1.8 inches) screed → 15 mm (0.6 inches) floor covering, totaling 150–160 mm (6–6.3 inches). Does this align with your experience, or is it overly optimistic? The bathroom drainage runs behind cladding boxes and will not be routed through the floor.
- Roof drainage: The architect recommended internal flat roof drainage and has planned it accordingly behind drywall partitions for media supply. We like this idea, but have no experience with durability or watertightness. Can any roofer handle this, or is a specialist required, whom the general contractor might not have or want to hire? Additional question: Is it possible or allowed to embed rainwater downpipes within external insulation (we have 140 mm (5.5 inches))? Is this common practice, difficult, or unwise? For your information, the house aims to meet KfW55 standards.
- Rainwater drainage: Our development does not allow surface water to be discharged into the sewer system. Instead, it must be directed to an open channel in the street. Our finished floor level will be 20 cm (8 inches) above the street grade/channel. The key question: How on earth can we aesthetically and as simply and cost-effectively as possible lead rainwater from downspouts at all four corners of the house to the street channel? I have no imagination here; maybe you have encountered a similar requirement? The flat roofs are mostly green roofs, so rainwater should be partially retained. This planning task seems even more challenging with internal downpipes routed below the basement ceiling, thus already below street grade, compared to external downpipes where at least some slope can be used. I am grateful for any tips! I have considered a soakaway with overflow to the street channel...
Thank you very much for your time and your thoughts on the above points or any other feedback ;-)
Best regards,
Stephan
These walls mainly serve to separate both the kitchen and the living room from each other and from the hallway. We are concerned that it would feel uncomfortable if the hallway directly opened into the kitchen and living room. Additionally, according to the general contractor or architect, these walls are beneficial for the structural stability. Apart from these two reasons, they have no other purpose...
haydee schrieb:
Visually, I would prefer a beam, but with four children this solution has its advantages.
Much betterWould your preferred visual solution therefore be to have both wall stubs end at the same height, creating a clear line of sight from the kitchen to the living room?Similar topics