ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz26 Aug 2017 21:48That would mean the terrace is practically located at the top right, “in the middle of the living room – enclosed on two sides.” I don’t think you gain much usable space in the end. More problematic are the possible furniture arrangements in the living and dining areas with the terrace wrapping around the corner. You could place the dining table underneath, but it already feels cramped right next to the kitchen door. The couch/TV setup is similar to before. It would be interesting to know the wall-to-wall distance. You mentioned 5.80 meters (19 feet); is that realistic? The study room would apparently remain as it is.
The exterior visualization would be very interesting. I think the terrace area bothers the view somehow if, when looking out the window to the left, you see the couch instead of an unobstructed view of the spacious plot. Instead, your view to the right goes toward an uninspiring area where the terrain slopes down toward the neighbor’s property.
I would prefer a solution where the balcony is positioned above the open space below, allowing an all-around unobstructed view despite being covered.
To ask from a different angle: If costs were no issue, would you still prefer your sketched approach or keep it as it was? I think this block would bother me a lot.
The exterior visualization would be very interesting. I think the terrace area bothers the view somehow if, when looking out the window to the left, you see the couch instead of an unobstructed view of the spacious plot. Instead, your view to the right goes toward an uninspiring area where the terrain slopes down toward the neighbor’s property.
I would prefer a solution where the balcony is positioned above the open space below, allowing an all-around unobstructed view despite being covered.
To ask from a different angle: If costs were no issue, would you still prefer your sketched approach or keep it as it was? I think this block would bother me a lot.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Below that, you could place the dining table, which currently feels cramped right next to the kitchen door. Or modify the living room/kitchen transition, similar to the wall layout in the basement. And no, I don’t have time to draw that right now either.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
You mentioned 5.80. Is that realistic? That was symbolic and referred to the gradual farewell to a sacred cow.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
The exterior rendering would be very interesting then. In reality, it won’t bother you at all later that you find translating renderings difficult. That doesn’t make the successful house any less good afterwards.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
On the other hand, I imagined a solution where the balcony is positioned above the open space below, allowing an unobstructed view to all sides despite the roof. Top and bottom (instead of “new” bottom and top as it is now) was my original* idea – which would also work with a balcony placed in front of the bedroom.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
But to ask differently: If cost were no object, would you still prefer your sketched solution, or keep it as it was? I would go with my latest interpretation of your ideas in #430 – and be happy about the money saved (and the tidier design) as a result.
*) My point almost from the very beginning, illustrated in #248/274
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I still find the floor plan from post 388 to be not fully developed. Spacious areas on one side and really tight spots on the other just don’t seem to work well together.
The hallway is huge, together with the wardrobe area it totals 27 sqm (290 sq ft). Still, you have to walk through the area where the private rooms are accessed (staircase) just to get to the house shoes and so on.
The passage to the living area (where, in my opinion, the couch placement on the right side is wrong) is narrow.
Access to the basement through the kitchen with a door? What happens to garden furniture and such in winter? Stored in the basement? Then you have to carry it down the stairs only to immediately encounter a wall at the bottom, forcing you to turn the corner.
The shower in the children’s bathroom with the entrance directly opposite the bathroom door is very unfortunate planning.
Floor-to-ceiling windows in the hallway and guest bathroom… why? In the guest bathroom, there will always be something placed inside to prevent guests from looking straight at the toilet.
The hallway is huge, together with the wardrobe area it totals 27 sqm (290 sq ft). Still, you have to walk through the area where the private rooms are accessed (staircase) just to get to the house shoes and so on.
The passage to the living area (where, in my opinion, the couch placement on the right side is wrong) is narrow.
Access to the basement through the kitchen with a door? What happens to garden furniture and such in winter? Stored in the basement? Then you have to carry it down the stairs only to immediately encounter a wall at the bottom, forcing you to turn the corner.
The shower in the children’s bathroom with the entrance directly opposite the bathroom door is very unfortunate planning.
Floor-to-ceiling windows in the hallway and guest bathroom… why? In the guest bathroom, there will always be something placed inside to prevent guests from looking straight at the toilet.
kbt09 schrieb:
I still find the floor plan from post 388 to be not yet fully developed. A "counterproposal" from you could be the solution
After more than 400 posts (about 450 including the roof subthread), I believe the time has come to finally tighten the first screws – and to correct shortcomings in the layout of all wet rooms based on the now fixed wall positions in the ongoing discussion.
Personally, I fluctuate between still finding the thread "exciting" and appreciating the "progress" in the original poster’s learning process, and on the other hand feeling tired that moving a wall by 30cm (12 inches) already seems to be the maximum adjustment that doesn’t even require “visualization.”
At least I get the impression that this is heading toward a solution – with Ev-Marie86 and Schnuckline, no "success" has been visible so far; likewise with arnonyme and his pseudo-Bauhaus in Pforzheim, which, in my opinion, suffers from "visualization" issues in a similar way.
And I am quite sure R. Hotzenplotz will get things done long before Schustrik does.
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@11ant ... no, that won’t work, it’s clearly expressed that what I prefer in houses — namely viewing eating/cooking as one combined area and sofa/TV as a separate area — is not desired here. I’m also not a fan of entering the house through the garage. Unfortunately, I can’t find the site plan either (a drawback of this forum is that no one tidies up or links essential plans/drawings in the first post for easy reference). I currently have little time and patience.
kbt09 schrieb:
No, that won’t work, it’s clearly expressed that what I like to see in houses [...] is not wanted here. Oh, very unfortunate :-(
kbt09 schrieb:
I’m also not a fan of accessing the house through the garage, Especially in combination with the covered walkway between the gate and the front door, it feels redundant / repetitive.
kbt09 schrieb:
unfortunately, I can’t find the site plan either I don’t think there was one—only photos / Google Earth aerial images. It’s a new development from the 1960s/70s, slight slope, with a tree in front of the planned garage door, still built as a bungalow.
kbt09 schrieb:
(a downside here in the forum is that no one tidies up and links important plans/drawings in the first post so they can be found again) Big like. That’s really missing here.
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