ᐅ Separate Apartment for Parents: 210 m² Detached Single-Family House with an 80 m² Self-Contained Apartment
Created on: 22 Apr 2017 18:22
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schustrik
Hello everyone,
We are planning to build a house with a separate apartment for parents.
The main house will have two full stories and a hip roof, and to reduce costs a bit, the separate apartment and the garage will have flat roofs.
The house will be built in a new development, and I have already designed the floor plan.
The plot measures 924 m² (11,470 sq ft) and is numbered 30 on the site plan.
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building height: 4.5 - 6.5 meters (15 - 21 feet)
The driveway can only be on the west side because there will be a bus stop on the south side.
What concerns me:
On the upper floor, the east wall runs right above the living and dining area and is actually only supported by the wall between the stairwell and the storage room of the separate apartment. Could this cause any structural issues?
I have drawn the exterior walls as 45 cm (18 inches) thick and the interior walls as 15 cm (6 inches). Load-bearing walls could probably be reduced to 20-22 cm (8-9 inches).
The “wet rooms” like bathrooms and toilets are spread throughout the house, and the separate apartment will have its own heating system. The sewer drainage gullies are located at the south edge of the plot near the bus stop.
We are planning to build a house with a separate apartment for parents.
The main house will have two full stories and a hip roof, and to reduce costs a bit, the separate apartment and the garage will have flat roofs.
The house will be built in a new development, and I have already designed the floor plan.
The plot measures 924 m² (11,470 sq ft) and is numbered 30 on the site plan.
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building height: 4.5 - 6.5 meters (15 - 21 feet)
The driveway can only be on the west side because there will be a bus stop on the south side.
What concerns me:
On the upper floor, the east wall runs right above the living and dining area and is actually only supported by the wall between the stairwell and the storage room of the separate apartment. Could this cause any structural issues?
I have drawn the exterior walls as 45 cm (18 inches) thick and the interior walls as 15 cm (6 inches). Load-bearing walls could probably be reduced to 20-22 cm (8-9 inches).
The “wet rooms” like bathrooms and toilets are spread throughout the house, and the separate apartment will have its own heating system. The sewer drainage gullies are located at the south edge of the plot near the bus stop.
The original 210/80 sqm (square meters) has now basically become about 160/just under 60 sqm (square meters). Have you already requested any initial price quotes?
Unfortunately, the rooms on the upper floor of the single-family house above the entrance hall are not labeled. The narrow corridor there seems quite pointless to me.
In the kitchen/dining area, access to the terrace doors is very inconvenient since you always have to walk around the table. Overall, having two tables next to each other also seems somewhat pointless given the rather limited space layout.
The bathroom on the ground floor... I wouldn’t want to have to use the shower there. I also don’t see any space for a coat rack or wardrobe.
Everything is quite cramped and awkward overall. The 85 cm (33.5 inches) doors, none of the bedrooms take into account ideal space for wardrobes. In the master bedroom, one side of the bed is very tight, and on the other side, the head of the bed is right next to the entrance door.
If a 5-meter (16.4-foot) car is parked in the garage, you can’t even get past the car to reach the shelves.
The bathroom in the granny flat is only suitable for contortionists, and there is no wardrobe space.
Has there been a visit to the architect yet?
Unfortunately, the rooms on the upper floor of the single-family house above the entrance hall are not labeled. The narrow corridor there seems quite pointless to me.
In the kitchen/dining area, access to the terrace doors is very inconvenient since you always have to walk around the table. Overall, having two tables next to each other also seems somewhat pointless given the rather limited space layout.
The bathroom on the ground floor... I wouldn’t want to have to use the shower there. I also don’t see any space for a coat rack or wardrobe.
Everything is quite cramped and awkward overall. The 85 cm (33.5 inches) doors, none of the bedrooms take into account ideal space for wardrobes. In the master bedroom, one side of the bed is very tight, and on the other side, the head of the bed is right next to the entrance door.
If a 5-meter (16.4-foot) car is parked in the garage, you can’t even get past the car to reach the shelves.
The bathroom in the granny flat is only suitable for contortionists, and there is no wardrobe space.
Has there been a visit to the architect yet?
kbt09 schrieb:
Has there already been a visit to the architect? I don’t get that impression yet, however:
schustrik schrieb:
Could you please review this plan again? Gladly. It seems to be improving. It was worthwhile to limit the symmetry dogma to the “main house.” The obsession with angles is now less pronounced – yet the floor plans still feel to me like they were designed by a packaging engineer (which significantly reduces the sense of spaciousness).
schustrik schrieb:
since my parents will live there for the first 5 years and may then move in with us (personal reasons). After 5 years, we are allowed to rent out the granny flat. Ah, I see. That explains why the layout always gave the impression that the granny flat was treated as an afterthought.
Now just visit the architect, and the whole thing will come together.
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schustrik4 Apr 2018 13:30kbt09 schrieb:
The original 210/80 sqm has now become more like 160/just under 60 sqm. Have you already requested any price quotes? Yes, and the bank is clearly calculating with prices that are too high. We would get the money from the bank, but by now we are thinking of building as small as possible and only as large as necessary so that the loan is smaller and can be paid off faster.
kbt09 schrieb:
In the kitchen/dining area, access to the terrace doors is really bad because you always have to navigate around the table. Also, having two tables next to each other seems pointless given the limited space. Yes, two tables only fit now because the plan used to be bigger, but probably only one table will fit.
kbt09 schrieb:
The bathroom on the ground floor... I wouldn’t want to have to use that shower. I also don’t see any space for a coat rack. The shower should only be for guests, if any come occasionally.
kbt09 schrieb:
Have you already visited an architect? No, we only have a draftsman who more or less redraws what we provide. If we go to an architect, we would have to pay again.
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chand19864 Apr 2018 13:40schustrik schrieb:
No, we just have a draftsman who more or less copies what we provide. To go to an architect, we would have to pay again.Are you serious?
Depending on the architect, you would finally get a proper floor plan. Some people have the talent to create good layouts without an architecture degree. But you don’t.
An architect could deliver a significantly different and much better result, from the house shape and orientation to staircase choice and room layout.
You are saving money now, only to spend hundreds of thousands on something more than suboptimal later? Does that make sense?
A floor plan is hardly changeable afterward. Better fittings and finishes can always be upgraded later. If the budget is tight, don’t cut costs on the architect but elsewhere.
chand1986 schrieb:
... There are people with the talent to create good floor plans even without an architecture degree. But you are not among them.
An architect could possibly deliver a clearly different, but significantly better result, from the house shape and orientation to the choice of stairs and room layout.
You save money now, and then spend hundreds of thousands on something more than just suboptimal? Does that make sense?
.Hehe, #2 22.4.2017
Maybe indirectly here, several times more directly
schustrik schrieb:
No, we “only” have a draftsman who more or less copies what we provide to her. If we were to go to an architect, we would have to pay again for everything. At car dealerships, there is often a retiree who washes the cars. However, they don’t change the brakes. Apparently, this has something to do with competence or the like.
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