ᐅ Separate Apartment for Parents: 210 m² Detached Single-Family House with an 80 m² Self-Contained Apartment
Created on: 22 Apr 2017 18:22
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schustrik
Hello everyone,
We are planning to build a house with a separate apartment for parents.
The main house will have two full stories and a hip roof, and to reduce costs a bit, the separate apartment and the garage will have flat roofs.
The house will be built in a new development, and I have already designed the floor plan.
The plot measures 924 m² (11,470 sq ft) and is numbered 30 on the site plan.
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building height: 4.5 - 6.5 meters (15 - 21 feet)
The driveway can only be on the west side because there will be a bus stop on the south side.
What concerns me:
On the upper floor, the east wall runs right above the living and dining area and is actually only supported by the wall between the stairwell and the storage room of the separate apartment. Could this cause any structural issues?
I have drawn the exterior walls as 45 cm (18 inches) thick and the interior walls as 15 cm (6 inches). Load-bearing walls could probably be reduced to 20-22 cm (8-9 inches).
The “wet rooms” like bathrooms and toilets are spread throughout the house, and the separate apartment will have its own heating system. The sewer drainage gullies are located at the south edge of the plot near the bus stop.
We are planning to build a house with a separate apartment for parents.
The main house will have two full stories and a hip roof, and to reduce costs a bit, the separate apartment and the garage will have flat roofs.
The house will be built in a new development, and I have already designed the floor plan.
The plot measures 924 m² (11,470 sq ft) and is numbered 30 on the site plan.
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building height: 4.5 - 6.5 meters (15 - 21 feet)
The driveway can only be on the west side because there will be a bus stop on the south side.
What concerns me:
On the upper floor, the east wall runs right above the living and dining area and is actually only supported by the wall between the stairwell and the storage room of the separate apartment. Could this cause any structural issues?
I have drawn the exterior walls as 45 cm (18 inches) thick and the interior walls as 15 cm (6 inches). Load-bearing walls could probably be reduced to 20-22 cm (8-9 inches).
The “wet rooms” like bathrooms and toilets are spread throughout the house, and the separate apartment will have its own heating system. The sewer drainage gullies are located at the south edge of the plot near the bus stop.
To be honest, I don’t see anything good, well thought out, or worth mentioning positively in your design. You quoted me, but unfortunately left out the crucial qualifying clause... Could it be that you fundamentally don’t grasp the main point of a statement? I mean, you fumble through your ideas, even ask for our opinions, but the focus of each point seems to drift into nothingness. You ignore the remarks. Instead, you remove the terrace in the secondary apartment; not only that: you take away all freedom of movement from the retiree’s area. You are giving up the desired sauna, a nice and functional entrance, and a decent staircase despite having a huge amount of square meters — you really need to open your eyes at some point. The convoluted layout already shows where the core problem in the planning lies.
Even after months, it’s not getting better, but a poor design is just being tweaked rather than improved.
And always those explanations for a failed detail like “we have that now too, and we manage well with it”... compromises are being sugarcoated or planning mistakes repeated.
Even after months, it’s not getting better, but a poor design is just being tweaked rather than improved.
And always those explanations for a failed detail like “we have that now too, and we manage well with it”... compromises are being sugarcoated or planning mistakes repeated.
schustrik schrieb:
I have already looked at about 50 shell constructions and have seen much worse floor plans that made me shake my head myself Am I correct in assuming that you assessed these "worse floor plans" in their unfurnished state? I get the impression that you have difficulty visualizing the space and don’t relate to the room dimensions unless they are filled with furniture (or measured).
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You can’t be serious about building a granny flat where you have to go through the kitchen, then the storage room, and only from there access the terrace.
Two 90cm (35 inches) mattresses will require a bed frame width of about 190cm (75 inches).
The heating and utility room next to the bedroom is only accessible from outside? Well, that’s also where the electrical installations are.
All I can say is, get an architect involved at last.
Two 90cm (35 inches) mattresses will require a bed frame width of about 190cm (75 inches).
The heating and utility room next to the bedroom is only accessible from outside? Well, that’s also where the electrical installations are.
All I can say is, get an architect involved at last.
Is there a specific reason why you are NOT consulting an architect?
I assume it’s not because you think you can do it alone or even better—based on the feedback so far.
What is your actual goal?
If your aim is to get a well-functioning floor plan tailored to your requirements, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t consider that option.
If your goal is to tinker around and put something together yourself based on feedback from the forum, I’m afraid that won’t work. Keep in mind that even here the forum’s patience has limits, and a fundamentally flawed design won’t turn into an award-winning masterpiece after one or two tips. Garbage in, garbage out. It sounds harsh, but it’s true.
For your own benefit, consult one or more professionals... I’m convinced this is the more effective approach.
I assume it’s not because you think you can do it alone or even better—based on the feedback so far.
What is your actual goal?
If your aim is to get a well-functioning floor plan tailored to your requirements, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t consider that option.
If your goal is to tinker around and put something together yourself based on feedback from the forum, I’m afraid that won’t work. Keep in mind that even here the forum’s patience has limits, and a fundamentally flawed design won’t turn into an award-winning masterpiece after one or two tips. Garbage in, garbage out. It sounds harsh, but it’s true.
For your own benefit, consult one or more professionals... I’m convinced this is the more effective approach.
We are also building 210m² (2,260 sq ft) with a 65m² (700 sq ft) granny flat for my mother... but honestly, I haven’t seen such a bad plan here in a long time. I designed our plan myself as well, and I received many opinions and some harsh criticism. In the end, however, I took every comment to heart, and the result is a well-rounded and successful plan, which the architect praised highly when finalizing it. We are now looking forward to a large home for five people (maybe six) with a wonderfully open floor plan and plenty of space for everyone to live comfortably and feel at ease.
By the way, we’re getting more living space from the 65m² granny flat than you are from your 80m² (860 sq ft)...
By the way, we’re getting more living space from the 65m² granny flat than you are from your 80m² (860 sq ft)...
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schustrik14 Dec 2017 20:28KingSong schrieb:
We are also building a 210m² (2,260 sq ft) house with a 65m² (700 sq ft) granny flat for my mother... but honestly, I haven’t seen such a (sorry for saying this) terrible plan here in a long time. I designed our plan myself and, like others, I received feedback and some harsh criticism. In the end, though, I took every comment to heart, and it resulted in a well-rounded and successful plan that even the architect who finalized it praised highly. We are now looking forward to a spacious home for 5 people (maybe 6) with a wonderfully open layout and plenty of room for everyone to live comfortably and feel at home.
By the way, we are getting more living space out of our 65m² (700 sq ft) granny flat than you are from your 80m² (860 sq ft)...May I see the plan or a thread about it? Thanks
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