Hello everyone,
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
K a t j a schrieb:
That may be true. One reason is probably the generally tough atmosphere in the construction industry. Additionally, the high investments involved, which can quickly become critical, play a significant role. The risk of losing your money is very high. That’s why the tone is a bit harsher, so nobody can later say, “You should have warned me.” That’s why I always like reading along here, and of course it’s important to consider both sides and point out possible difficulties. What bothers me especially are comments like “Nobody wants to go straight from the open-plan living area directly into the garden” or “Anyone who doesn’t see that is resistant to advice.”
If you want to address the original poster (OP) more specifically, it is only fair that the OP also explains why the basement is not an option, where potential disadvantages lie from their perspective, etc. That way, a real discussion can start instead of just receiving general replies.
And this "carrying boxes" ... you actually carry only twice: once when bringing them into the basement and then again when taking the empties back.
In the floor plan, I see terrace access from the dining/kitchen area, where the table is quite in the way. In post 15, @hanghaus2023 shows how the house with an elevated terrace could even fit.
In post 29, there is the architect’s draft (with a somewhat convoluted kitchen layout to make room for a terrace door). The terrace layout is only hinted at there. All the indications are no deeper than 2m (5 feet), not an ideal terrace area if you want to eat, sit, or grill there.
Starting from post 38, there is also a discussion about the approved wall height and how the reference point is measured.
While rereading, I noticed
Yes, but the 1.5 m (5 feet) only applies if you are standing right at the counter in the kitchen planned by the architect. And then you do not reach the "usable part" of the terrace, but rather only the access to the usable part of the terrace.
Also, since yesterday and post 64, we’ve been discussing the tone.
So, now I have checked whether my initial assertion about the OP is correct. But apart from the "carrying," I found nothing. And the carrying issue can really be put into perspective, for example in post 65.
And this "carrying boxes" ... you actually carry only twice: once when bringing them into the basement and then again when taking the empties back.
In the floor plan, I see terrace access from the dining/kitchen area, where the table is quite in the way. In post 15, @hanghaus2023 shows how the house with an elevated terrace could even fit.
In post 29, there is the architect’s draft (with a somewhat convoluted kitchen layout to make room for a terrace door). The terrace layout is only hinted at there. All the indications are no deeper than 2m (5 feet), not an ideal terrace area if you want to eat, sit, or grill there.
Starting from post 38, there is also a discussion about the approved wall height and how the reference point is measured.
While rereading, I noticed
familie_s schrieb:
According to our plan, we would have about 1.5m (5 feet) to the terrace. Not compared to the 8 meters (26 feet) past the desk, dining table, toys, and couch we have now.
Yes, but the 1.5 m (5 feet) only applies if you are standing right at the counter in the kitchen planned by the architect. And then you do not reach the "usable part" of the terrace, but rather only the access to the usable part of the terrace.
Also, since yesterday and post 64, we’ve been discussing the tone.
So, now I have checked whether my initial assertion about the OP is correct. But apart from the "carrying," I found nothing. And the carrying issue can really be put into perspective, for example in post 65.
From my dark basement located between closely built houses, I have to point out that some people complain about others’ tone while coming across as rude and impolite themselves.
By the way, with careful planning, neither the mail carrier nor guests have access to the private area.
By the way, with careful planning, neither the mail carrier nor guests have access to the private area.
haydee schrieb:
From my dark basement level between closely built houses, I have to point out that complaining about someone else's tone while using one that sounds rude and impolite yourself
By the way, with clever planning, neither the mail carrier nor guests have access to the private areaI don’t recall saying that everything is dark holes. Sorry if my tone seemed rude; that was not my intention.
haydee schrieb:
From my dark basement level between closely built houses, I have to point out that complaining about someone else's tone while using one that sounds rude and impolite yourself
By the way, with clever planning, neither the mail carrier nor guests have access to the private areaThen we think the same about each other, and I’m fine with that. I will try to improve.
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hanghaus20233 Mar 2024 13:55familie_s schrieb:
The proposals from hanghaus2023 in #24 and haydee in #46 are three stories high. I have only shown what, in my opinion, is the maximum allowed according to the zoning plan. But you are allowed to build higher. So why does the designer place such low windows on the upper floor?
They see it the same way I do. See the comment:
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