Hello everyone,
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
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hanghaus202319 Feb 2024 15:43A fairly new development plan, and you’re allowed to build a tower like that? The 6.5 m (21 feet) height limit will never be complied with. Apart from that, where do you want to place the terrace?
For this plot, a ground floor and basement level make sense. But without a cellar, if you definitely want to convert the attic.
Here is a sketch.
This respects the 6.5 m (21 feet) limit. You could set the finished floor level 50 cm (20 inches) lower to gain a bit more knee wall height in the roof.
For this plot, a ground floor and basement level make sense. But without a cellar, if you definitely want to convert the attic.
Here is a sketch.
This respects the 6.5 m (21 feet) limit. You could set the finished floor level 50 cm (20 inches) lower to gain a bit more knee wall height in the roof.
H
hanghaus202319 Feb 2024 16:16Has the road and the sewer system already been constructed? In the sewer planning, you can then see how deep your basement level can be built.
11ant schrieb:
Jurahaus ... we already had that here a few years agoThanks for the links! I’m going to check them out right away.11ant schrieb:
Is it one from https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundstuecksverlosung-ideale-vorauswahl-treffen.42723/?Yes, exactly. We’re glad that the site development was almost finished at allocation. Once everything was connected, completely different opportunities opened up.11ant schrieb:
Two things are wrong: first the sequence, and second the planner.
1. Choose an independent architect without quotation marks.
2. Go there without bringing any of your own planning attempts.
3. Carry out a proper tender (usually together with the architect), based on which a bidder may apply to be the general contractor, but never go directly to a GC.
If you follow my “House Building Roadmap, also for you: the HOAI phase model!”, after Module A during the resting phase make the key decision to find out which construction method suits the specific case better. Important: this key decision is just a preliminary step, not a commitment! The participants of this orientation round form a group independent from the later selection of bidders due to the different focus; the orientation round is not a qualifier for the tournament!We are not putting the project out to tender since we are building with family. We have already met with an architect, without bringing in any previous planning attempts, and we made sure not to indirectly mention any of our existing plans in the requirements. We’re curious to see what will come out of it. She has already designed several houses in exactly the style we envision. However, she no longer does submission planning; that will need to be done by the planner.hanghaus2023 schrieb:
A relatively new development plan and you are allowed to build such a tower? The 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in) height limit will never be met. Aside from that, where exactly do you want to place the terrace?
For this plot, a ground floor plus basement is appropriate. But without a cellar, if you definitely want to convert the attic.
That way the 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in) limit is respected. You could set the ridge beam 50 cm (20 inches) lower, then you get a bit more knee wall height in the roof. Thanks, it won’t be a tower. Once I receive the elevations in the next few days, I will upload them here. The 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in) measurement starts from the ground floor level, as this is closer to the natural terrain on average.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Is the road and the sewer line already installed? In the sewage plan, you can see how deep your basement can be.
Yes, both are completed. We should be able to drain the basement without a lift station.
familie_s schrieb:
We would like to have direct access from the kitchen to the terrace and from there at ground level into the garden. To the south, the terrace would be elevated and offer a great view facing south. According to your floor plan and the slope information, the access from the kitchen/dining area would not be at ground level.
Therefore, the elevations and cross-sections would be helpful.
If you define a separate apartment (even without subsidies), parking spaces will be required, so it is better not to define one.
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