Hello everyone,
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our community.
We have now started with the planning and would like to hear your opinions.
Please note: this is the first draft.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 591 sqm (about 6360 sq ft)
Slope: South-facing slope, access from the north, slope drops about 2.5 m (8 ft) to the south in the area of the house.
Floor area ratio: 0.35
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see development plan (Trauberg II)
Number of parking spaces: 2 per residential unit
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof shape
See development plan
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type:
Jurahaus style (traditional on the street side/north, modern on the south side), gable roof
Basement, stories: basement with garden access on the south side + 2 full stories
Number of occupants, age: 3-4 (36, 34, 5) + possibly one more child
Space requirements in basement (BSMT), ground floor (GF), upper floor (UF): bedroom, dressing room, family bathroom, guest bathroom, living room, kitchen/dining, pantry, office/guest room, office/hobby room, storage room, utility room, mechanical/technical room (bathroom)
Office: family use or home office? Both, with two separate workspaces in two rooms required
Guest stays per year: about 10 visits with two guests each
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern design: mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen-dining area as the family hub, kitchen island desired but not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6 permanent, extendable to 12
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace adjoining the kitchen is a must
Garage, carport: double garage required
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be included:
- Large hobby room with space for a sewing machine and another space-consuming hobby
- Cloakroom not visible when opening the front door
- Guest bathroom not next to the front door
- Spacious pantry/storage room with extended countertop
- Utility room not in the sleeping area; I have horses and don’t want to carry dirt into the sleeping area. Utility room near the offices, since laundry is mostly done during home office hours.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
What do you like most? Why?
- The room layout is very well implemented.
- No complex structural engineering, installations can be done easily.
- A separate apartment could be realized in the basement.
What do you not like? Why?
- Windows: exterior view is not symmetrical or harmonious. In the kitchen, we would prefer the window/door at the island to have more natural light there. The patio doors are too narrow. I deliberately have not published the elevations because we are still undecided whether to choose shutters or sliding shutters, or to have sunshades/roller shutters on the south side.
- The desired Jurahaus character is not yet fully reflected as hoped. For now, we developed the floor plan to get, for example, feedback from the energy consultant.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: siehe unten.
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings: 600k, we are building with the family and subcontract only the plumbing and heating trades. The construction company says we can comfortably manage this.
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to compromise, on which details/expansions
- Could you compromise on: straight staircase, knee wall height (it could be somewhat lower), bathroom in the basement.
- Cannot compromise on: pantry, dressing room, offices, hobby room
Why is the design as it is now?
We have visited many show homes and existing houses, and this type of floor plan repeatedly appealed to us.
kbt09 schrieb:
First question... how is the mandatory access from the kitchen/dining area to the terrace/garden intended? We want short routes to the terrace; the zigzag through the dining and living rooms in our rental apartment is annoying us.
We would like direct access from the kitchen to the terrace and then level access from there to the garden. On the south side, the terrace would be elevated and offer a great view facing south.
kbt09 schrieb:
EDIT: Secondary apartment... where are the two additional parking spaces planned? And who is supposed to live there? How would access work? They are not planned. We are planning a double garage; due to the required setback from the property boundary, parking in front of it would also be possible. Enclosed parking spaces, however, are not allowed.
Access from the south. Additionally, the cellar garage should have access to a storage or utility room.
We do not want to rent the apartment but intend to use it for family members (mother-in-law or adult child, for example).
Dividing the property into two units is optional; we have not planned any dual subsidies or similar.
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hanghaus202319 Feb 2024 14:01Throw the plan and the planner away immediately. He hasn’t even read the development plan.
For a hillside location, you need an architect who has experience with this kind of project. The sketch in the development plan clearly shows what the planner envisions.
In my opinion, model homes are not suitable for steep slopes.
For a hillside location, you need an architect who has experience with this kind of project. The sketch in the development plan clearly shows what the planner envisions.
In my opinion, model homes are not suitable for steep slopes.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Forget the plan and the planner quickly. They didn’t even read the zoning plan.
On a slope, you need an architect who has experience with projects like this. The sketch in the zoning plan shows what the planner envisions.
Model homes are, in my opinion, not suitable for steep slopes. We are not violating the zoning plan. The basement will only extend to the south. However, this is not clear from our floor plans, you are right. Among other things, the mistakenly drawn western window contradicts that. We have already confirmed that we are allowed to build to this height.
Jurahaus … we already discussed this here a few years ago with @KingSong https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/meinungen-zu-unserem-grundriss-entwurf-erwuenscht.23977/ and with @FidelCastro https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-ideen-gesucht-haus-jurahaus-stil-gestalten.26304/
Is it one from https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundstuecksverlosung-ideale-vorauswahl-treffen.42723/?
Two points are incorrect here: first, the order, and second, the choice of planner.
1. Hire an independent architect, without quotation marks.
2. Do not try to do your own planning before going there.
3. Usually together with the architect, prepare a proper tender, based on which a bidder can also apply to act as general contractor; however, never approach a general contractor directly (and even less so without a tender process).
If you follow my "A Construction Schedule for Housebuilding, Including You: The HOAI Phase Model," then during the ‘resting’ phase after Module A, you should also set the course to determine which building method is more suitable in your specific case. Important: this decision stage is just an initial step, not a commitment! The participants involved in this orientation phase have a different focus and a composition that is independent of the later contractor selection; this orientation round is not a qualifying stage for the ‘tournament’!
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
familie_s schrieb:
After a long wait, we finally secured our dream plot in our municipality.
Is it one from https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundstuecksverlosung-ideale-vorauswahl-treffen.42723/?
familie_s schrieb:
- Planner from a construction company + DIY
Two points are incorrect here: first, the order, and second, the choice of planner.
1. Hire an independent architect, without quotation marks.
2. Do not try to do your own planning before going there.
3. Usually together with the architect, prepare a proper tender, based on which a bidder can also apply to act as general contractor; however, never approach a general contractor directly (and even less so without a tender process).
If you follow my "A Construction Schedule for Housebuilding, Including You: The HOAI Phase Model," then during the ‘resting’ phase after Module A, you should also set the course to determine which building method is more suitable in your specific case. Important: this decision stage is just an initial step, not a commitment! The participants involved in this orientation phase have a different focus and a composition that is independent of the later contractor selection; this orientation round is not a qualifying stage for the ‘tournament’!
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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