ᐅ House extends above ground level – how much soil can be backfilled (with shallow basement)?
Created on: 15 Oct 2022 19:11
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Machu Picchu
Hello everyone,
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
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Costruttrice16 Oct 2022 11:46Machu Picchu schrieb:
Why doesn’t filled soil, that has been properly leveled and/or given enough time to settle, hold permanently? This should not be underestimated! Simply leveling the soil isn’t enough; the slope must be properly secured against sliding, with erosion control being a key factor. The slope needs to be cut back and supported. Since you don’t seem to be a professional, you definitely need a specialist, such as a landscape contractor. You can’t just have soil dumped and then pave over it. In my opinion, there is no quick fix just because the soil will be arriving soon. It requires careful planning and expertise to ensure everything remains stable (and looks good) afterwards.
Machu Picchu schrieb:
The terrace connects to the double French doors and, according to the original plan, it extends around the corner and ends behind the single French door. The latter could be reconsidered if I follow a path like the one described in earlier posts. But isn’t there only about a one-meter (3 feet) strip with a railing marked in #20, or am I misunderstanding that?
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Machu Picchu16 Oct 2022 11:48ypg schrieb:
For brainstorming, you go through way too many ideas every 10 seconds.
Ideas first need time to sink in and to be sketched out, then a few days to settle — with you, there are batches of rejections every ten at a time. No, I just meant that I have a hard time picturing the raised terrace with the integrated carport compared to the other suggestions that have come up.
I reviewed all the pictures again. Why was the entire width of the plot leveled by cutting, even though it is supposed to be filled back up there?
Do you also have a cross-section in the other direction showing the desired terrain profile?
Overall, I want to emphasize once more: if you didn’t involve a professional in the planning phase from the start, you urgently need to bring one on board now! This has to be seen and assessed on-site. Photos often don’t reveal the full reality. There might be simpler solutions or even more challenges than the pictures suggest. I still consider drainage to be one of the most important topics.
Do you also have a cross-section in the other direction showing the desired terrain profile?
Overall, I want to emphasize once more: if you didn’t involve a professional in the planning phase from the start, you urgently need to bring one on board now! This has to be seen and assessed on-site. Photos often don’t reveal the full reality. There might be simpler solutions or even more challenges than the pictures suggest. I still consider drainage to be one of the most important topics.
ypg schrieb:
The shaft must remain clear. Machu Picchu schrieb:
The light well needed on the left below the double leaf patio door, How do you come up with a light well now? So far, only the sewage shaft is there, nothing more.
Machu Picchu schrieb:
No, I only mentioned that I find it hard to imagine the raised terrace with integrated carport compared to the other ideas that have come up. You rejected almost all proposals over more than 10 pages almost immediately. When you respond so quickly without reflecting or internalizing, this building design becomes understandable.
Tip: learn from mistakes and take the time to consider the suggestions, advice, and tips!
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Machu Picchu16 Oct 2022 11:54mayglow schrieb:
But isn’t there only about a one-meter (3 feet) strip with a railing drawn in #20, or am I misunderstanding that?The railing shown in the drawings borders the terrace on the side with the single-leaf patio door. Below this railing, there is a retaining wall leading down to the ground. You can see the retaining wall in picture 2; it is already in place there.
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