ᐅ House extends above ground level – how much soil can be backfilled (with shallow basement)?
Created on: 15 Oct 2022 19:11
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Machu Picchu
Hello everyone,
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
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Machu Picchu16 Oct 2022 09:37NatureSys schrieb:
What is the natural ground level actually (in other words, how much soil did you remove to build the basement)?About one meter (3.3 feet) was removed.
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Machu Picchu16 Oct 2022 09:45mayglow schrieb:
I was just wondering about that myself. In the photo, the trees in the background of the first picture seem to be noticeably taller. If there is still about a meter difference and you want to level that anyway, maybe we’re only talking about a meter above the terrain and not two anymore?That comes across clearly. Looking at the first photo, the street level where the photographer is standing is probably 70–80cm (28–31 inches) lower than the street on the other side at the back of the house (where the trees are visible).
mayglow schrieb:
In the photo taken from the side looking at the front door, the neighbor’s flower beds are also higher (although nowhere near as high as the door).Yes, as mentioned before, all houses on this street are built elevated like this, but we are about 70 or 80cm (28–31 inches) higher still. For example, the house next to our front door doesn’t really have a garden, just a raised terrace in front.
mayglow schrieb:
I think there are quite a few options for the terrace. I’m just going through in my mind what I’ve seen with hillside houses before... Something like: a terrace designed as a deck or balcony with stairs leading down to the garden. Or planning the terrace over several levels. Or first a staircase down to a terrace that’s more or less at garden level (or slightly above). Or having the terrace not directly at the house but offset with a small path leading to it (possibly with some steps here and there). And so on... How realistic any of this is with your conditions, I can’t really judge.
Either way, you’ll probably need a good garden landscaper. It wouldn’t hurt to go over the existing designs again, but maybe loosening up from them a bit is better.
And as already mentioned: if you don’t include the side door in the terrace planning, then you’ll likely need some kind of fall protection there. But I think that’s the smaller issue 🙂Thanks for your advice!
mayglow schrieb:
I think there are a number of options for the terrace as well. I’m mentally going through what I’ve seen in hillside houses before... Something like: a terrace as a "deck"/similar to a balcony, with stairs leading down to the garden. You mean like @Zaba12?
Machu Picchu schrieb:
That really comes across. That’s not the case with some things here. I still don’t fully understand how it ended up like this: after deciding to raise the building, there must have been plans submitted to the building authorities showing what the project was supposed to look like—or are you building with a permit exemption?
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It is clearly visible that the neighbor on the left has also raised their ground level. I would probably match that level and, if necessary, raise it another 30–40cm (12–16 inches) with planting to maintain or conceal it. You would need to check how much height is still lacking near the entrance door. At the back, it seems less important or can be neglected for now. I would place the carport near one of the two patio doors, allowing access to it as a terrace... where do the doors lead? This way, the shaft would be nicely aligned with the paving level. To reduce costs, use paving only with gravel.
Where would the kitchen be located? Budget would quickly be spent with a walkable carport and entrance.
Where would the kitchen be located? Budget would quickly be spent with a walkable carport and entrance.
11ant schrieb:
I still haven’t fully understood how it came about:That no longer matters now. The issue is settled, and the focus should be on how to make it into a comfortable living space.ypg schrieb:
That doesn’t really matter anymore.Looking ahead is good, but a diagnosis never harms when it comes to treatment.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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