ᐅ House extends above ground level – how much soil can be backfilled (with shallow basement)?
Created on: 15 Oct 2022 19:11
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Machu Picchu
Hello everyone,
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
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Costruttrice15 Oct 2022 23:37Phew!!! Enough has already been said about the (mis)planning, the damage is done now. I also think an experienced landscape gardener needs to take over to make the best out of this tricky situation. The money saved on a lifting station now has to be invested two or three times over in the planning and construction of the terrace and garden. Missing exterior plaster and unnecessary base paint are, in my opinion, the smallest problems in this context.
Machu Picchu schrieb:
In what way do you think something (what exactly?) was overlooked here?The implication of what such a figure means, for example. And the ten steps leading to the front door—did you think they were just a visual element to break up the drawing? Then I read here about a lifting station you wanted to avoid, and that’s why you adjusted the house height. So the thought process was something like: “Wow, such a thing costs four figures? That’s expensive... can we skip it if we raise the house instead?” (Answer: yes, that sounds clever, as it "saves" the cost of the lifting station in the general contractor’s quote. And once the house is built, you can try your luck with the lottery, and until the jackpot comes in, ask online for a smart interim solution.) Such reasoning can no longer be convincingly justified by non-experts reading construction drawings alone.
The house gives the overall impression that someone mismeasured the foundation slab by a full meter in height and only noticed it too late; after that, they basically just finished building the house as a cover-up. Such a tiny little difference ;-) can no longer be concealed with a camouflage marker. Smarts and skill aside, it now costs actual money, all at once, to "fix" the mistake.
Machu Picchu schrieb:
Back then, we were relieved because all other consulted general contractors had planned a normal basement that would have gone deeply into the ground, which would have failed in our case due to the sewer system. [...] Raising the basement was actually a cost-saving measure compared to the originally desired normally deep basement (which was then not feasible).One can only respond to that in the local dialect style: "That’s hard to imagine." Apart from the clearly comparatively lower cost of a lifting station here, the wastewater pipes do not necessarily have to be routed beneath the foundation slab; a washing machine is not inevitably placed in the basement. The planner must have read every volume (including the anniversary edition!) of the adventures of a cunning East Frisian farmer. This faulty planning really needs to be seen to be believed; neither Günter Willumeit nor Fips Asmussen could have made this up 🙂 You probably need to bribe the building inspector with several bottles of schnapps to convince them that this basement is not a full floor ;-)
Dear readers: please do not imitate! This is a textbook example of a presumed fixed decision on a house design with subsequent clarification of the site topography. I can hardly make any other sense of it.
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Gerddieter16 Oct 2022 00:00Machu Picchu schrieb:
Yes, we visited the site several times, including with the general contractor.
He was the first general contractor who immediately inspected the construction site and was the only one to realize that the sewage system was not far underground, so we had to raise the basement level.
Raising the basement was actually a cost-saving measure compared to the originally planned standard-depth basement (which would not have been feasible).
Man, oh man – I would say that raising the basement was probably the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard from a general contractor...
But there’s no helping it – the house and above-ground basement are built. Either you turn the basement into a true ground floor, or the landscape contractor will have to fix things as best they can.
Best regards, GD
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Gerddieter16 Oct 2022 00:09What exactly is that opening under the patio door on the rear view?
Machu Picchu schrieb:
but not that we would end up significantly higher than the neighbors—Machu Picchu schrieb:
and thus be on the same level as the neighbors.The neighbors’ height really doesn’t matter, does it?Machu Picchu schrieb:
For this, I would also need to have the exposed exterior spots plastered—how long does that usually take?You have completely different concerns. And whether you need to have it plastered or do it yourself, it doesn’t matter.Machu Picchu schrieb:
Raising the basement was actually a cost-saving measure compared to a standard-depth basement we originally wanted (which wasn’t possible then).You realize that with the basement not located where it was supposed to be, with a light well for an office space, just below ground level, you now have to artificially create a new ground level? Your ground floor is where the first floor would normally start. Your basement is where the ground floor should be. I would consider the plastering issues as the least important part. What matters is that you get appropriate, barrier-free access from the interior to the front door and terrace. Steps are unavoidable, whether leading to the garden or the front door.
Contact a landscape gardener—that’s the best advice.
In my opinion, all these considerations are a bit too late; the situation is basically set, the chance missed. Now you just have to manage it somehow.
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Westerwald 216 Oct 2022 01:55The basement itself (constructed like this) is complete nonsense. At first, I thought it was an April Fool’s joke.
You might as well build a pool: that doesn’t require any excavation work.
You might as well build a pool: that doesn’t require any excavation work.
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