ᐅ Realistic Cost Estimate: Single-Family Home with Challenging Site Access
Created on: 20 Jan 2023 10:50
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schmeissrein
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
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WilderSueden17 Apr 2023 17:3312sqm (129 sq ft) for a child's bedroom is not a disaster. However, if the room is under the roof, the usable space is noticeably reduced. In my opinion, if you already have the luxury of a new build with a guest room, a large walk-in closet, and two master bedrooms, then the children's rooms should ideally be around 15sqm (161 sq ft) after deducting the roof slopes. Otherwise, I think the priorities are simply misplaced.
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WilderSueden17 Apr 2023 17:39Unfortunately, I can no longer edit... but keep in mind that children also grow. With the first partner, a double bed will be necessary, which requires more space than a crib. Draw possible furniture arrangements to scale in the plans.
@WilderSueden
Thank you for your constructive feedback! Increasing the size of the children's rooms is definitely on our wish list for the architectural designer. We tried it ourselves as amateurs, but it wasn’t possible without making the whole house larger (too large). That’s exactly why she is the professional, hopefully. So maybe she can manage to redistribute the space without increasing the overall size.
Thank you for your constructive feedback! Increasing the size of the children's rooms is definitely on our wish list for the architectural designer. We tried it ourselves as amateurs, but it wasn’t possible without making the whole house larger (too large). That’s exactly why she is the professional, hopefully. So maybe she can manage to redistribute the space without increasing the overall size.
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WilderSueden17 Apr 2023 20:18But the professional can only work with what they are given. For that, you need an honest space plan and clear priorities about where you are willing to save if, *surprise*, budget and wishes don’t align on the first try.
schmeissrein schrieb:
So now we have everything from tiny to ridiculously large, which makes it not so easy to get something productive out of all the input.I haven’t really read it that way in the last pages.Very small rooms and budget wishes that are a bit overambitious. There’s no contradiction in the posts there.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to plan for 2 kids’ bedrooms. No building couple planning for 2 children in the future will be criticized here. So I would plan with two rooms.
But if one room already fits for now, the second kids’ room can be used as an office or guest room. If a second child actually arrives, then guests simply have to make do without a proper double room.
The wish for a secondary bedroom on the ground floor for illness is also legitimate, but let’s be honest: a broken leg, a fractured toe or a groin injury can be easily managed on the sofa. I can’t think of a situation where I wanted a sick room during my four times being sick at home. I just made myself comfortable in the living room with Netflix and sent the kids to bed early.
Also, double beds in teenage rooms aren’t necessary: remember the times when a single 90cm (35 inches) bed was cozy enough for those first “nighttime closeness attempts.” And if a 90cm (35 inches) bed fits, a 100cm (39 inches) bed will fit, too. That’s a fair compromise for sharing a room with siblings, because you survived childhood that way.
However, I see a 10 square meter (108 square feet) walk-in closet as a real waste of space; you can do well with 5-6 square meters (54-65 square feet), including shoes, and instead enlarge the two kids’ rooms. In this case, you could subtract 1.5 square meters (16 square feet) due to the sloping roof, but that applies to the kids’ rooms too! And 10.5 square meters (113 square feet) for kids’ rooms is a bit stingy when you plan a 160 square meter (1722 square feet) house. Guests get better rooms.
Friends of ours once said: they would rather forgo expensive gables and not build the house straight but rotated/crosswise, so it looks more interesting and the garden design is more pleasing. They are right. It costs no extra money.
A couple in the neighborhood planned for 2 children but had none. Only after the pressure of building the house eased did they have 4 kids in quick succession. They divided up the large living room in the open-plan area to create a bedroom, now upstairs there are three kids’ rooms instead of 2 plus a bedroom, and the attic is being converted. They wouldn’t plan differently if they could. Also, no bathroom on the ground floor, just a toilet. It’s fine as it is because they are blessed with children. And they also have a dog, even without a shower on the ground floor.
What you are planning right now is, by the way, a 7-room house for 3 people – I guess that might open some eyes.
Just as an example: Heinz von Heiden’s house finder offers houses with 3 to 7 rooms – but those turn out to be two-family homes.
I would try to manage with a captain’s gable. That would probably be better placed on the south side. The two kids’ rooms would be there. The bedroom above the office/guest room on the ground floor, with the staircase on the north side. But make sure you create nice areas, for example, that the living room can be furnished well. The staircase won’t work well like that. And the hall closet is currently only good for silk scarves; there needs to be more space (ideally at least 60cm (24 inches) of linear closet space per person).
I think @hanghaus2023 has already optimized this quite well on the last pages.
Unfortunately, I haven’t read everything either, but wasn’t the budget somewhere around 500k including site development? If that’s correct, it will probably only be enough for 130 to 140 sqm (1400 to 1500 sq ft). The rest will be taken up by the road and other external landscaping. In my opinion, 7 rooms are not possible within 140 sqm (1500 sq ft).
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