ᐅ Planning kitchen appliances: How to approach it. The market is overwhelming.
Created on: 11 Sep 2017 12:34
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G-Star1988
Hello everyone,
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
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G-Star198818 Sep 2017 11:39Nordlys schrieb:
@G-Star1988
Forget about energy efficiency. It’s probably just as manipulated as diesel emissions data. The appliances have to last. A repair technician plus replacement parts costs many times more than a bit of extra electricity or water. And Bosch products last. KarstenI’ve realized that as well. So yes, energy efficiency is important, but not A+++—just A++ to save around €400 (about $440). Especially since you can’t really expect appliances to run for very long periods anyway.
Why do you guys actually choose handleless kitchens? Don’t you ever use your kitchens, just asking? There really isn’t anything more impractical; you end up hurting your fingers on those things. Especially opening the fridge is really difficult. And that’s already the case in the showroom, where the fridge isn’t even on yet—meaning it’s even harder to open when it’s running because the door seals tight. 1. Because it best suits the minimalist design of Bauhaus style. It looks clean and cubic without any frills or handles.
2. No finger injuries involved; the magic word is (electric) push-to-open. It works easily without any effort.
3. Handleless doesn’t automatically mean you have to have recessed grips or edge pulls, so handleless kitchens are not inherently easier or harder to clean.
4. Kitchen use: intensive.
5. Whether with or without handles is usually a matter of personal taste [emoji4]. You can cook a lot and without problems in a kitchen with or without handles. If it doesn’t work out, it’s probably less the kitchen’s fault [emoji6].
Alex85 schrieb:
Why do you actually choose handleless? Don’t you ever use your kitchens, to be blunt? It honestly doesn’t get more impractical than that—you’ll end up hurting your fingers on those things. Especially opening the fridge is really awful. And that’s already in the showroom, where the fridge isn’t even turned on, so in operation it’s even harder to open because the door sticks to the seal. We originally thought the same. We probably tried some poor solutions here and there before, plus the Ikea system, which is truly pointless.
Then, at another kitchen showroom—actually, by that point we were already moving away from handleless—our kitchen adviser showed us the handleless kitchen by Schüller and wondered what we could find uncomfortable about it!? And indeed, the large integrated grip profiles are very smooth to operate and no harder to use than regular handles. The fridge, for example, now opens very easily. Of course, it will have a vertical integrated grip profile; I don’t think every manufacturer thinks that far ahead.
Egon12 schrieb:
We have fairly large handles and also a practical single-lever mixer on the faucet so you can operate it with your elbow when your hands are full of dough, breading, or whatever. When you’re working, you need something to grab onto… With our induction cooktop, I will never get used to just having to "touch" it... I always feel like I’m trying to push a hole in the ceramic glass surface.That’s why we have a faucet where the mixer lever is located at the spout, like on a beer tap—no more awkward bending over the faucet itself…
KingSong schrieb:
That’s why we have a faucet with the mixing lever located at the outlet… like on a tap, no more awkward bending over the faucet itself… That’s pretty cool too.
One of the few design flaws I only noticed when using it is the "rotary knob"? used to open and close the drain. The fixture is from Villeroy & Boch, but when the basin is quite full, the water pressure on the drain strainer is so strong that you can’t turn the rotary knob without pliers… it’s a smooth piece of stainless steel about 1.5 cm (0.6 inches) high and 3 to 4 cm (1.2 to 1.6 inches) in diameter. My hands can’t get a proper grip, and since it’s wet, there’s no chance of turning it by hand. (In other words, reaching into the wash water to lift the strainer by hand doesn’t work.)
It looks nice, but it’s not practical.
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Knallkörper19 Sep 2017 15:28Do you possibly have a kink in the Bowden cable? Normally, it moves smoothly, even when the basin is full.
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