ᐅ Planning kitchen appliances: How to approach it. The market is overwhelming.

To the original poster, how did the appointment at the studio go?

Grym schrieb:
Most people here are building a house for 4-5 people, including children and future children. Of course, your bungalow for 2 will be more affordable, no question. But that can’t be the standard by which I base my answers here. I would estimate that at least 90-95% of the builders here build larger than you, so for 3 people or more....

This kind of nonsense in a checkered college sweater vest is really annoying.
All that’s missing is the wagging finger, saying only certain professions and income levels are allowed to build. But only with mainstream standard plans, so you can recognize your new neighbors by their front yard appearance.

It’s unfortunate when people create a ranking system from behind their desks.

Grym schrieb:
Appearance and quality of the fronts at Nobilia and Schüller clearly better.

Such a general statement is nonsense or simply a matter of personal taste.

Regarding Grym’s cost comparison. Seriously, we did compare as well. After a first visit to Ikea, my wife said she could imagine having a kitchen like that. A rough plan I made using the company’s online planner showed a net installation price of 3800 euros (approximately 4100 US dollars). Then the builder came and said, “Let’s plan the kitchen quickly because we want to pour the floor slab and the drains need to be fixed.” That created some time pressure. We visited Möbel Kraft, but that was no option at all. Nobilia’s price was unclear, and I stopped the discount and manager inquiries with Arie due to the disrespectful behavior toward the customer—quite blunt and rude actually. I was angry. A small showroom, 7–8 Nobilia kitchens depending on the appliances, including installation. Ikea seriously came to about 4800 euros (around 5200 US dollars) including appliances, installation, and delivery. So there really wasn’t much difference in price, not a small amount by any means, especially since the Nobilia offer didn’t seem particularly better in quality. The Veddinge lacquer fronts chosen by my wife, satin finish, the wide aluminum handles, the many drawers including a corner carousel, the LED panels under the wall cabinets, the drawer organization, their lighting, etc., would have added a significant surcharge with Nobilia—probably another thousand euros (about 1100 US dollars) on top. Sure, one might say the installation would have gone smoother, you would have had Siemens appliances instead of Ikea’s own brands, and you could have negotiated more. But I don’t take it seriously when a dealer lets the price drop by, say, three thousand euros (around 3200 US dollars), that means they didn’t take me seriously from the start. Karsten

Nordlys schrieb:
Regarding Grym’s comparison calculation. Seriously, we did compare. After an initial visit to Ikea, my wife said she could envision that kind of kitchen. A rough plan I made using the company’s online planner showed a net installation price of around 3800 euros (about 4100 US dollars). Then the builder came and said, “Now is the time for kitchen planning,” but suddenly we needed to pour the slab, and the drains had to be fixed in place. That added pressure. Visit to Möbel Kraft was not an option. Nobilia: price unclear, and the discount and manager negotiations were so disrespectful towards the customer that I stopped them abruptly—quite harsh and rude. I was angry. A small studio kitchen, 7-8 units of Nobilia depending on appliances, including installation. IKEA seriously came to 4800 euros (about 5200 US dollars) including appliances, installation, and delivery. So there really wasn’t a trivial difference, especially since we didn’t find the Nobilia offer to be qualitatively outstanding either. The Veddinge lacquered fronts in satin matte finish my wife chose, the wide aluminum handles, the many drawers including the corner carousel, the LED panels under the wall cabinets, the drawer organization and their lighting, etc., would have added extra cost with Nobilia—probably another thousand euros (about 1100 US dollars) on top. Sure, you can say the installation might have gone better with Nobilia, you would have had Siemens instead of Ikea’s own brand names, and maybe you should have negotiated more. But I don’t take seriously a dealer who lets the price drop by about three thousand euros (around 3300 US dollars); they didn’t take me seriously beforehand. Karsten

But Nobilia can’t be blamed for your poor choice of kitchen studio or furniture store. We did our research upfront to find where fair prices are offered and ended up with three quotes. We were mistaken with one, where the same Nobilia kitchen was quoted at 20,000 euros (about 21,800 US dollars), okay, 25% more expensive. But the other two vendors got the pricing right from the start, including lighting, drawer organization, sink base sealing, etc.—all included everywhere.

Knallkörper schrieb:
In such general terms, nonsense or a matter of taste.

If you want a high-gloss front, like 80-90% of all kitchen buyers, then at IKEA you only have this foil front.

And if you want handleless, then IKEA is a complete fail.