ᐅ Planning kitchen appliances: How to approach it. The market is overwhelming.
Created on: 11 Sep 2017 12:34
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G-Star1988
Hello everyone,
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
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daniels8722 Nov 2017 09:17Well, that’s really a matter of personal preference. I don’t think we need to debate personal cooking habits now. When my wife and I cook a multi-course meal, even four burners are often not enough.
And you wouldn’t heat a pressure cooker with 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of potatoes on setting 2.5 to reach cooking temperature. And the 32cm (13 inch) pan also takes a while to reach operating temperature, even with the boost function.
You could just as well debate the necessity of other things. Like the need for three bicycles. Or a car’s engine size. Isn’t that something everyone needs to decide for themselves? I don’t tell you to install a sink in the bathroom either. When would you need two? We can just discuss it briefly.
By the way, here’s a good example: A good friend of mine wants two dishwashers in his new kitchen. It bothers him that dishes are just sitting around when the machine is full. And washing by hand is just outdated...
And you wouldn’t heat a pressure cooker with 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of potatoes on setting 2.5 to reach cooking temperature. And the 32cm (13 inch) pan also takes a while to reach operating temperature, even with the boost function.
You could just as well debate the necessity of other things. Like the need for three bicycles. Or a car’s engine size. Isn’t that something everyone needs to decide for themselves? I don’t tell you to install a sink in the bathroom either. When would you need two? We can just discuss it briefly.
By the way, here’s a good example: A good friend of mine wants two dishwashers in his new kitchen. It bothers him that dishes are just sitting around when the machine is full. And washing by hand is just outdated...
Sorry if I caused some confusion here.
If you have space for a 90cm (35 inch) cooktop, then go for it. Unfortunately, I didn’t have that option, so I ended up with a 60cm (24 inch) cooktop. In your post, it just sounded like 80cm (31.5 inch) cooktops were more expensive than 90cm (35 inch) ones. That’s why I used the example of the 80cm (31.5 inch) Neff, which I consider quite affordable. Whether it’s Siemens, Bosch, or Neff is mostly a matter of design and user interface, as the technology behind them doesn’t differ much. They all come from the same manufacturer anyway.
If you have space for a 90cm (35 inch) cooktop, then go for it. Unfortunately, I didn’t have that option, so I ended up with a 60cm (24 inch) cooktop. In your post, it just sounded like 80cm (31.5 inch) cooktops were more expensive than 90cm (35 inch) ones. That’s why I used the example of the 80cm (31.5 inch) Neff, which I consider quite affordable. Whether it’s Siemens, Bosch, or Neff is mostly a matter of design and user interface, as the technology behind them doesn’t differ much. They all come from the same manufacturer anyway.
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Deliverer22 Nov 2017 10:27daniels87 schrieb:
By the way: Here’s a good example: A close friend wants to install two dishwashers in his new kitchen. It bothers him that dishes pile up when the dishwasher is full. And washing by hand feels outdated...That sounds really modern: After all, you don’t waste space on "useless" cabinets. Cabinets with a washing function are much more practical.
It’s basically like storage on the road (in the truck). That also costs less than building warehouses...
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Knallkörper22 Nov 2017 10:29daniels87 schrieb:
And even the 32cm (12.5 inch) pan takes a while to reach "operating temperature" with Boost.I don’t quite understand that point. What does "a while" mean in this context? I never use Boost for pans because they simply get too hot too quickly. Unlike a pot with 10 liters (2.6 gallons) of water, an empty pan has very little heat capacity. Heavy cast iron pans might be an exception, but they can crack if heated too fast, so I also only use levels 7-8 in that case.
Question: Does your cooktop pulse on the Boost setting? You can hear and feel it. What is the ratio of on- to off-time? I’ve used cooktops that pulse strongly when warm, so that the actual average output might be only 4 kW instead of the nominal 6 kW, for example.
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Knallkörper22 Nov 2017 10:52Maybe I’m using the wrong term. In my opinion, such an induction cooker can only operate "digitally," meaning it is either on or off. The energy output over time, or average power, can only be controlled through the ratio of "on" and "off" periods. Unless the cooktop can be continuously "on" 100% of the time, the actual heating power will always be lower than the rated power input.
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