ᐅ Planning kitchen appliances: How to approach it. The market is overwhelming.

Created on: 11 Sep 2017 12:34
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G-Star1988
Hello everyone,

I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.

For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:

Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570

(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)

I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?

How do you approach this?
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daniels87
22 Nov 2017 11:04
Such a cooktop operates using "cycling" or pulse width modulation. Even at maximum power, it pulses continuously.

If one burner is set to Boost, the control system naturally limits the power available to the second burner.
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chand1986
22 Nov 2017 11:39
daniels87 schrieb:
And you don’t heat a pressure cooker with 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of potatoes on setting 2.5 to reach temperature. And the 32 cm (13 inches) pan also takes a while to reach "operating temperature" even with Boost.

Hmm, maybe you don’t want to understand me: Of course, the pressure cooker is not heated up on 2.5. It’s heated up as fast as possible, and if Boost is not available, then on 9. But if you set it up in a way that you do other things during that time (because you have four pots still heating anyway), the time difference between Boost and 9 is not noticeable in the overall process time—or in other words: Boost is nice but unnecessary then. However, once the heat is there, maintaining the temperature only requires around setting 2.5. That’s why preheating and keeping hot always works with appropriate planning, even with five pots, completely without Boost if necessary.

The bigger the meal, the more the time advantage of induction approaches zero, which makes Boost less relevant. However, the comfort gained from a larger cooking zone increases. That was my point. An 80 cm (31 inches) or even 90 cm (35 inches) zone is significantly more important than power alone. If both are possible: fine.

And about the pan: I have a cast iron pan for steaks and fried potatoes, really heavy. It gets searing hot in 120 seconds without Boost, perfect for steak crust. One minute longer and I’ll burn the food.
Knallkörper schrieb:
Unlike a pot with 10 liters (2.6 gallons) of water, an empty pan has little heat capacity. Heavy cast iron pans might be an exception, but these can crack if heated too fast, so I also only use settings 7-8 here.

That’s exactly the point! A coated Tefal pan gets scorching hot after 60 seconds even without Boost. For cast iron, I go to 9, but then it takes twice as long, about two minutes. I’m surprised the OP’s pan takes "a while" even with Boost.
RobsonMKK22 Nov 2017 14:39
When I read this, I wonder... how were people able to cook on a standard ceramic cooktop or even on traditional hotplates and still have the meal ready to serve on the same day?
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daniels87
22 Nov 2017 15:41
RobsonMKK schrieb:
When I read this, I wonder... how did people manage to cook on a regular ceramic hob or even traditional hotplates and still have the meal ready the same day?

That’s a good question!

I don’t think it makes sense to read a necessity into that. How else would you justify a Team 7 kitchen? A €1200 (about $1300) kitchen line can cook too. Cooking is a passion. If I had a gas connection, I’d probably add a two-burner gas hob as well.

It’s perfectly fine that you have a different opinion, but I want my five burners, period! I don’t need a 50" 4K TV for that, and my Opel Corsa is enough for me. Everyone has their own priorities.
RobsonMKK22 Nov 2017 16:52
daniels87 schrieb:
Cooking is passion

That’s exactly the point... and as @chand1986 already mentioned, passion has nothing to do with whether water boils in 60 seconds or 6 minutes.

And I find this discussion quite amusing, typical first world problems.
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chand1986
22 Nov 2017 17:31
daniels87 schrieb:
It’s fine that you have a different opinion, but I want my 5 burners, period!

I feel misunderstood... 5 burners is exactly what I’m suggesting because it really offers added value. Definitely get them, and on at least an 80cm (31.5 inches) cooktop! I’ve been saying this the whole time.

But 11kW compared to 7.5kW makes no difference in the situations where you need so many burners. And if it does, it’s not due to the stove. So: 5 burners on an 80cm (31.5 inches) cooktop is a clear YES, 11kW vs. 7.5kW is definitely OPTIONAL, basically unnecessary.

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RobsonMKK

Well, in a home building forum, except maybe in the off-topic sections, mostly 1st world problems are discussed, and even then, the more upscale variety.

It’s entertaining nonetheless.