ᐅ Location of a city villa or detached single-family house on a 500 m² rectangular plot
Created on: 17 Jan 2020 18:03
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Tolentino
Dear all,
after sharing the floor plans of my possible hamster cage with you in the other thread , here comes the next thread (thanks again for all the constructive suggestions there).
Just so you know, the semi-detached house is not off the table yet, as this plot of land is highly sought after and it’s not clear whether it will work out. But this one would be my favorite.
Now to this plot. For now, I’m mainly concerned with where and roughly how the house should be positioned on this plot.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 500 m² (5400 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) from the street, 3 m (10 ft) from neighbors
Edge development: allowed for garages and sheds, none existing on the plot
Number of parking spaces: 1-2
Number of floors: 1.5–2.5
Roof shape: no preference
Architectural style: no preference
Orientation: aligned parallel to the street
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height max. 9 m (30 ft)
Below are the site plans I created myself based on the details from the listing.
This is a rough overview of the plot with building boundaries and dimensions.
My question is: where to put the house?
The broker suggests placing it towards the back, since you already have the 5 m (16 ft) setback at the front and would “gain” about 3 m (10 ft) of garden. My partner doesn’t like this because of the visibility from the street. I say: privacy screen! But I also think, a fence too high might create a prison-yard feel.
But even if you follow this suggestion, I wonder if a more square floor plan (-> town villa style) would be better?
Like this, for example:
Then parking space might be tricky, right?
Or upright like this?
I really want as much of a west-facing view and garden as possible. I tend to be an evening person and that side is less built up, due to the road. So I think more light comes through.
But the narrow floor plan caused lots of problems with the semi-detached house already. Well, here you could build longer instead.
What do you think?
Best regards
Tolentino
after sharing the floor plans of my possible hamster cage with you in the other thread , here comes the next thread (thanks again for all the constructive suggestions there).
Just so you know, the semi-detached house is not off the table yet, as this plot of land is highly sought after and it’s not clear whether it will work out. But this one would be my favorite.
Now to this plot. For now, I’m mainly concerned with where and roughly how the house should be positioned on this plot.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 500 m² (5400 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) from the street, 3 m (10 ft) from neighbors
Edge development: allowed for garages and sheds, none existing on the plot
Number of parking spaces: 1-2
Number of floors: 1.5–2.5
Roof shape: no preference
Architectural style: no preference
Orientation: aligned parallel to the street
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height max. 9 m (30 ft)
Below are the site plans I created myself based on the details from the listing.
This is a rough overview of the plot with building boundaries and dimensions.
My question is: where to put the house?
The broker suggests placing it towards the back, since you already have the 5 m (16 ft) setback at the front and would “gain” about 3 m (10 ft) of garden. My partner doesn’t like this because of the visibility from the street. I say: privacy screen! But I also think, a fence too high might create a prison-yard feel.
But even if you follow this suggestion, I wonder if a more square floor plan (-> town villa style) would be better?
Like this, for example:
Then parking space might be tricky, right?
Or upright like this?
I really want as much of a west-facing view and garden as possible. I tend to be an evening person and that side is less built up, due to the road. So I think more light comes through.
But the narrow floor plan caused lots of problems with the semi-detached house already. Well, here you could build longer instead.
What do you think?
Best regards
Tolentino
I would orient the house facing north and place a first parking space between the driveway and the east wall. A diagonal orientation can be very valuable, as it provides additional sightlines on a small plot. If necessary, rotate it differently depending on the layout; this will require some coordination. Then, an affordable standard house with a nice orientation toward the sun and garden on the south and west sides will also fit.
Ibdk14 schrieb:
Is there also a cooktop in the kitchen?No, we never cook! Yes, of course there will be one. But I wouldn’t want to decide on the exact spot just yet. It will go wherever it makes ergonomic sense.
haydee schrieb:
Whether those are tall cabinets or countertop space, the pathway in the kitchen is quite long.
And it stays extremely narrow with chairs, where maybe someone will also sit.
Try a peninsula and rotate the table.Okay, I’ll try that, but my partner doesn’t like an island.haydee schrieb:
An extra 100 euros monthly loan payment is easier to manage than coming up with an additional 10,000 euros. And 10,000 euros isn’t much for the landscaping. The time cost won’t be any less either.No, that doesn’t work for me. But it’s fine, this thread is about the floor plan, not financing. Thanks for the input anyway.kbt09 schrieb:
The door to the utility room won’t fit under the stairs.Maybe the software is lying...kbt09 schrieb:
And regarding “300k is quite little,” it means roughly 155 square meters (about 1,670 sq ft) for that price is already quite ambitious. Current estimates are closer to 2200 euros per square meter.Okay.ypg schrieb:
I don’t find this attractive at all. Everything feels like a corridor. I think the main issue is that the access is from the short side, which results in only narrow, elongated rooms.
The hallway is narrow and will become a bottleneck with a wardrobe.
The kids’ rooms are only about half as large as the numbers suggest.
Also, the utility room and guest WC get nice evening light in summer. The way you’re criticizing this side of the property, it’s not like that at all. I’d say the east side is actually less appealing here.
How are you planning the parking? In front and then around the house?
Why not place the entrance next to the stairs in the northeast to keep hallways short and make the room layout more practical?
For example, the utility room in the northeast, guest room in the southeast, and the living area in an L-shape?The idea was to also use the strip with the right of way and have my parking space behind the house (later possibly covered with a carport).
But I will try to see if moving the entrance to the northeast changes anything.
I’ve also noticed the narrow layout and that worries me. Are there any options to break up this perpetual L-shape? Probably a lintel will be needed for structural reasons anyway. Would it be worthwhile to extend the walls that are too short?
ltenzer schrieb:
I don’t think the entrance on the back side of the house, as seen from the street, is ideal.Reason already explained above.
ltenzer schrieb:
The postman will get used to it (has to), but if you order pizza often, it might get cold before they find the entrance.Why? The doorbell and intercom are at the front gate.ltenzer schrieb:
Other reasons – see above – also argue for placing the front door on the north side to create a better floor plan.Okay, I’ll experiment with that.
Tego12 schrieb:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with ypg on all points. Many rooms are really poor in terms of layout. I can hardly think of improvements other than wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch.Okay, so what would I then change? For example, the external site plan?
Because if I scrap everything and start over, it will more or less end up the same.
ypg schrieb:
I’d orient the house towards the north and position the first parking spot between the driveway and the east wall. An angled orientation can be very valuable as it creates more sight lines on a small plot. Alternatively, rotate it however it fits, that needs some negotiation.
Then a low-cost standard house can fit with a nice orientation to the sun and garden in the south and west.The garden is already facing southwest, isn’t it?
I didn’t understand the parking spot suggestion. Could you sketch it?
Thanks and best regards
Tolentino
Tolentino schrieb:
I’ve also noticed the narrow shape, and it worries me too. Are there alternatives to breaking up the constant L-shape? It’s probably necessary to add a lintel anyway for structural reasons—would it be worth extending the walls that are too short? ???
Tolentino schrieb:
Okay, and then what would you change? For example, the external floor plan?
Because if I throw everything away and start over, the result will more or less be the same. Why? No!
Tolentino schrieb:
The garden is currently southwest-facing, right?
I didn’t understand the comment about the parking space. Could you sketch it? Your definition of “the garden is currently…” doesn’t really apply here.
Try again.
I also sketched it for the software, but you really have to use a template and actually fit the building into the site, since the building envelope isn’t very large.
At the moment, I don’t have time at the computer...
Don’t get yourself stuck with a really bad idea now, but your concept isn’t ideal—far from perfect, to say the least... sorry.
Tolentino schrieb:
Who designed the plan:
- Original creation? - but not far from the (working) model by @Zaba12https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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