ᐅ Land Acquisition – Initial Ideas in the Early Planning Stage
Created on: 17 Aug 2018 23:37
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polydeikes
Hello dear forum members,
We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.
We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.
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polydeikes19 Aug 2018 13:42Perhaps a few details about the rough budget:
- Equity of approximately 100,000, of which initially only 45,000–50,000 will be used
- Monthly fixed expenses not to exceed 1,250, with a preference for flexibility through special repayments
- Dual income totaling around 6,500 net, but possibly losing part of the 2,000 net income from the wife due to family planning
- Age mid-30s
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This roughly results in an available budget of about 360,000 for the house and land alone. The land including additional costs is around 50,000, assuming a favorable price of 65 per square meter (approximately 6.5 per square foot). So, roughly 310,000 for the house and garage.
- Equity of approximately 100,000, of which initially only 45,000–50,000 will be used
- Monthly fixed expenses not to exceed 1,250, with a preference for flexibility through special repayments
- Dual income totaling around 6,500 net, but possibly losing part of the 2,000 net income from the wife due to family planning
- Age mid-30s
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This roughly results in an available budget of about 360,000 for the house and land alone. The land including additional costs is around 50,000, assuming a favorable price of 65 per square meter (approximately 6.5 per square foot). So, roughly 310,000 for the house and garage.
polydeikes schrieb:
I have considered the idea of two stories. Whether it will fit within the budget, I cannot even begin to estimate at this point. But we will definitely look into it.While some here dismiss a gable roof with knee walls as affordable housing, I believe that a gable roof with a decent knee wall height (120/150 cm (47/59 inches)) has advantages that can outshine a two-story design.
Just the cozy, homely feeling with an exposed roof is a completely different experience compared to a modern urban villa.
Financially, quite a bit is possible 🙂
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polydeikes19 Aug 2018 14:55I personally also prefer cozy appearances; house styles like Danhaus without too many frills would appeal to me visually. My wife has somewhat different ideas, for example, a balcony and a fireplace. However, we have both amicably discarded these ideas because they would add too much cost for relatively little practical benefit.
Additionally, it’s a village with about 400 residents, located roughly 5 to 7 meters (3 to 4 miles) from the nearest small towns. Putting up a facade like the Danwood Park 164w might create somewhat undesirable impressions. It’s not that I was ever particularly concerned about that, but there’s no need to go overboard either.
Financially, we have a reasonable income compared to the rural average. As self-employed individuals, we also face certain risks, of course.
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Ultimately, a floor plan is, in my opinion, a matter of personal priorities. For us, for example, the huge open-plan kitchen-living area is rather uninteresting; we tend to relax on the couch in our limited free time. Nevertheless, the somewhat small kitchen from the original design is probably not an ideal solution for two planned children.
My wife has typical female tendencies to collect things, so extra storage space (since we don’t have a basement) definitely makes sense.
Our priorities clearly lie in a usable home office on the ground floor (this is where the main income is earned), a shower bathroom on the ground floor (for the dogs) plus a main bathroom upstairs, two children’s rooms, and a pantry for my wife...
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We want to allow ourselves some outdoor luxury. A hot tub is planned for the terrace later on, and a reasonably sized terrace is desired. However, these are not part of the current budget planning.
Additionally, it’s a village with about 400 residents, located roughly 5 to 7 meters (3 to 4 miles) from the nearest small towns. Putting up a facade like the Danwood Park 164w might create somewhat undesirable impressions. It’s not that I was ever particularly concerned about that, but there’s no need to go overboard either.
Financially, we have a reasonable income compared to the rural average. As self-employed individuals, we also face certain risks, of course.
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Ultimately, a floor plan is, in my opinion, a matter of personal priorities. For us, for example, the huge open-plan kitchen-living area is rather uninteresting; we tend to relax on the couch in our limited free time. Nevertheless, the somewhat small kitchen from the original design is probably not an ideal solution for two planned children.
My wife has typical female tendencies to collect things, so extra storage space (since we don’t have a basement) definitely makes sense.
Our priorities clearly lie in a usable home office on the ground floor (this is where the main income is earned), a shower bathroom on the ground floor (for the dogs) plus a main bathroom upstairs, two children’s rooms, and a pantry for my wife...
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We want to allow ourselves some outdoor luxury. A hot tub is planned for the terrace later on, and a reasonably sized terrace is desired. However, these are not part of the current budget planning.
Looking at the plot size and site plan, the conditions seem favorable for a design without strict constraints: the neighboring houses’ positions suggest that the building envelope is only defined by setback distances, and regarding size and plot ratio/floor area ratio, we don’t need a precision scale here. I consider a house axis NW-SE possible, but you can check that in the development plan / planning permission.
I appreciate the attitude of not wanting to put up a flashy building in the village. If I were you, I’d have some fun imagining how a gable roof house design would look reinterpreted as a “town villa” (or something like that).
What I would definitely recommend for this plot is not to already move your initial sketch too much towards a rectangle. Corners for their own sake aren’t necessary, but you don’t always have to push the design towards a box shape—the plot doesn’t demand that.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
I appreciate the attitude of not wanting to put up a flashy building in the village. If I were you, I’d have some fun imagining how a gable roof house design would look reinterpreted as a “town villa” (or something like that).
What I would definitely recommend for this plot is not to already move your initial sketch too much towards a rectangle. Corners for their own sake aren’t necessary, but you don’t always have to push the design towards a box shape—the plot doesn’t demand that.
ypg schrieb:
If the knee wall is sufficient, of course.
ypg schrieb:The thing is, here we have an 87cm (34 inches) knee wall as the maximum allowed, yet a two-story building is permitted—that’s what I call a clear hint from the development plan.
While some here dismiss a gable roof with a knee wall as social-housing-style, I think a gable roof with a healthy knee wall (120/150cm (47/59 inches)) has its own advantages, making a two-story building pale in comparison.
kaho674 schrieb:If I understood all the planners’ reasoning behind the development plan, I’d be going to the doctor.
Too bad about the 87cm (34 inches) knee wall. I wonder what exactly that is supposed to improve in the streetscape if two stories are allowed anyway?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
polydeikes schrieb:
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 knee wall, dark color required
Orientation – north/south according to drawingsI hadn’t considered that.
My fault!
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