ᐅ Land Acquisition – Initial Ideas in the Early Planning Stage
Created on: 17 Aug 2018 23:37
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polydeikes
Hello dear forum members,
We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.



We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.
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polydeikes18 Aug 2018 14:01I believe the lady of the house especially liked the French door in the original floor plan.
You certainly have much more experience. As a complete beginner, I don’t see any particular issue with the one slanted wall, for example.
The problem in the original floor plan is the pantry. It can basically only go where I have scribbled in red here. And that might come at the expense of the office, where I need at least one wall of 2.5m + (8 feet 2 inches) without a window.
Also, the shower still somehow needs to fit into the guest bathroom downstairs.

You certainly have much more experience. As a complete beginner, I don’t see any particular issue with the one slanted wall, for example.
The problem in the original floor plan is the pantry. It can basically only go where I have scribbled in red here. And that might come at the expense of the office, where I need at least one wall of 2.5m + (8 feet 2 inches) without a window.
Also, the shower still somehow needs to fit into the guest bathroom downstairs.
polydeikes schrieb:
I believe the lady of the house originally liked the French door in the floor plan.
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The problem with the original layout is the pantry. It really can only be placed where I marked in red here. Possibly at the expense of the office, where I still need at least one wall of 2.5m (8 feet 2 inches) or more (without a window).
Also, the shower will somehow need to be fitted into the guest toilet downstairs.The original floor plan is in your first post.
If someone says it’s too long, then it must be there 😉
A French door can also be installed on a flat wall, but many say it’s impractical.
kaho674 schrieb:
On the other hand, it is of course much more expensive to build two full stories. To quote the Bremen Town Musicians: "we can find something better than a knee wall fiddled under 87cm (34 inches)".
What exactly is more expensive about straight vertical walls? And with a “setback story” (or “step-back floor”), you can still build a one-and-a-half-story house if the upper floor has less area than the lower one.
When looking for inspirational floor plans, keep in mind to scale down if you want to adapt an upper full story.
I don’t mind sloped walls, but somehow they feel a bit 90s to me.
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11ant schrieb:
What exactly is supposed to be more expensive about the vertically rising walls? – And with a "setback floor" (also known as a recessed upper floor), it is still possible to build a one-and-a-half-story house if you use less floor space on the top level than on the lower one.I might be mistaken, but I believe that a setback floor is significantly more expensive than a simple gable roof. After all, you immediately have several different roof surfaces that need to be designed, calculated, and constructed.kaho674 schrieb:
But I do think that a recessed top floor is significantly more expensive than a simple gable roof. After all, you immediately have several different roof surfaces, I agree. I just wanted to point out that straight-wall floors and floors that are not full upper floors do not exclude each other. I also see the ideal solution in a two-story house with the same floor area distribution for the upper floor as the ground floor, classic with congruent exterior walls. Of course, this means a smaller footprint compared to a one-and-a-half-story house.
kaho674 schrieb:
Double door possible. Your floor plan suggestion makes me smile – it looks a bit like a more refined version of the layout in https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissoptimierung-stadtvilla-180m2-mit-visualisierungen.28529/ – and compared to Polydeikes’ initial concept (considering his plot), I find yours a bit too conservative.
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