ᐅ Land Acquisition – Initial Ideas in the Early Planning Stage
Created on: 17 Aug 2018 23:37
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polydeikes17 Aug 2018 23:37Hello dear forum members,
We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.
We are not only new here, but also at the very beginning of our building considerations. Currently, the purchase of a plot of land is being finalized by a notary.
The plot immediately impressed us, even though we didn’t have any concrete ideas yet about how to build on it. We are now at the start of the planning phase / orientation process.
The attached sketches are the result of initial thoughts and a first discussion with a house construction company.
At this stage, we are grateful for any suggestions / considerations / shared practical experiences that could help us avoid detours.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size – 680 sqm (7320 sqft)
Slope – slight decline of about 1.5 – 2 m (5 – 6.5 ft) over the entire depth of the plot, ground level at the street
Floor area ratio (FAR) – 0.4
Site coverage ratio – 0.8
Number of parking spaces – one in front of the garage, 5 m (16 ft) required
Number of storeys – 1.5 storeys, 2 storeys allowed
Roof shape – pitch 30–48 degrees, max. 0.87 m (2.9 ft) knee wall, dark color mandatory
Orientation – north / south as per sketches
Clients’ requirements
Build on slab foundation
2 people, planning for children started (max. 2), 4 dining seats
- Office as a dedicated and indispensable home office on the ground floor (approx. 11 sqm (118 sqft), one long wall without windows required)
- 2 bathrooms with showers (ground floor guest WC with shower and main bathroom upstairs) → 2 dogs
- The lady insists on having a pantry next to/by the kitchen and is not open to compromise on this
- Rather conventional construction method, no special requirements
Garage, carport – sketches show a 3 x 7 m (10 x 23 ft) garage with a door at the back right to access the terrace / garden
House design
Planning by: rough, initial planning discussion with a solid brick-and-mortar house company
Price estimate according to architect/planner – 255k house, 30k additional construction costs, 50k plot, 13k garage
Total including additional costs – around 350,000 euros
Preferred heating technology: undecided (air-to-water heat pump and underfloor heating are included in the “offered” house)
If you have to give up something, which details or expansions
- What you can do without:
These are already the “essential” specifications, so there is no possibility to “give up” anything without the lady burying me somewhere in the garden.
How large should the house be? I’m thinking around 160m2 (1,722 sq ft)? The budget will be very tight to impossible if, for example, you don’t want to live with only 2 power outlets in the living room, and so on.
I don’t think the floor plan idea is bad, but the cloakroom, hallway, and staircase also need space, and I doubt there is enough as shown in the sketch.
I don’t think the floor plan idea is bad, but the cloakroom, hallway, and staircase also need space, and I doubt there is enough as shown in the sketch.
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polydeikes17 Aug 2018 23:53The price quotes from the construction company are based on this planning proposal with their scope of work description. For example, there are 6 sockets in the living area... 😉 But yes, we do not indulge the illusion that these prices represent the final amount. I just tried to fulfill the structure needed to start the thread as far as possible.
The planned house measures 148 square meters (approximately 1593 square feet) with dimensions of 11.00 m (36 feet) in length by 9.12 m (30 feet) in width.
The planned house measures 148 square meters (approximately 1593 square feet) with dimensions of 11.00 m (36 feet) in length by 9.12 m (30 feet) in width.
The floor plan collage does not clearly show the dimensions of the rooms, where the staircase is supposed to be, and so on. I also don’t see an upper floor/attic, or is the second floor plan image meant to represent this (still undivided or with rooms shown in white on white)?
I recommend first listing the rooms, specifying their dimensions, and allocating them to the different floors— for a one-and-a-half story house with a knee wall height of max. 87 cm (34 inches), the majority of the living space should be on the ground floor.
Is the “home office with no alternative” intended to have no client visits? Otherwise, I would prefer to have it closer to the entrance.
The pantry request from the head of the household sounds like you might not fully share this wish?
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I recommend first listing the rooms, specifying their dimensions, and allocating them to the different floors— for a one-and-a-half story house with a knee wall height of max. 87 cm (34 inches), the majority of the living space should be on the ground floor.
Is the “home office with no alternative” intended to have no client visits? Otherwise, I would prefer to have it closer to the entrance.
The pantry request from the head of the household sounds like you might not fully share this wish?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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polydeikes18 Aug 2018 01:15The staircase is planned next to the utility room, with the entrance door beside it. The doors to the utility room, bathroom, and office are located within the small rectangular area where the three meet.
The office has no customer traffic at all. Currently, it measures approximately 3.3 x 3.7 meters (11 x 12 feet), which is more than sufficient. Apart from about 3 meters (10 feet) of wall space for monitors, there are no special requirements, and excessive natural light in the office is actually not desired. My personal preference was to separate it from the living area. Currently, in the rental apartment, the office is also located directly next to the bathroom. Let’s not go into too much detail here, but that arrangement does have its advantages. 🙂
The pantry is a desirable feature, but it is very difficult to accommodate in a floor plan. Looking at floor plans from home builders, a pantry plus a utility room plus an additional room on the ground floor usually only appears in significantly larger houses. Here, a pantry would reduce the kitchen size, leaving only about 8 to 9 square meters (86 to 97 square feet) for the kitchen. Although we are not currently avid cooks, the lady of the house owns a large number of (in my opinion unnecessary) appliances, and we also have to consider the child-related scenario.
The plot size would make a smaller pantry entirely sufficient; we currently have about 1.3 square meters (14 square feet) and don’t really need much more directly adjacent to the kitchen.
That said, we are not the tidiest people, and a separate pantry does make sense.
Edit: I can share the draft from the builder tomorrow regarding the measurements, but I didn’t want to focus too much on an initial draft at this point.
The office has no customer traffic at all. Currently, it measures approximately 3.3 x 3.7 meters (11 x 12 feet), which is more than sufficient. Apart from about 3 meters (10 feet) of wall space for monitors, there are no special requirements, and excessive natural light in the office is actually not desired. My personal preference was to separate it from the living area. Currently, in the rental apartment, the office is also located directly next to the bathroom. Let’s not go into too much detail here, but that arrangement does have its advantages. 🙂
The pantry is a desirable feature, but it is very difficult to accommodate in a floor plan. Looking at floor plans from home builders, a pantry plus a utility room plus an additional room on the ground floor usually only appears in significantly larger houses. Here, a pantry would reduce the kitchen size, leaving only about 8 to 9 square meters (86 to 97 square feet) for the kitchen. Although we are not currently avid cooks, the lady of the house owns a large number of (in my opinion unnecessary) appliances, and we also have to consider the child-related scenario.
The plot size would make a smaller pantry entirely sufficient; we currently have about 1.3 square meters (14 square feet) and don’t really need much more directly adjacent to the kitchen.
That said, we are not the tidiest people, and a separate pantry does make sense.
Edit: I can share the draft from the builder tomorrow regarding the measurements, but I didn’t want to focus too much on an initial draft at this point.
An 87 cm (34 inches) knee wall is rather low and might require cutting into parts of the eaves on the roof sides. In any case, it is quite "steep," quite literally. I would seriously reconsider whether this knee wall height is sufficient. After all, two full floors are allowed. On the other hand, building two full stories is of course significantly more expensive.
A pantry is definitely a very good feature, I can only agree with that. In your design, it might be somewhat large in proportion to the other rooms. My initial thoughts on the rooms are quite positive. The kitchen is still too small, but if the pantry is reduced, it will improve.
A pantry is definitely a very good feature, I can only agree with that. In your design, it might be somewhat large in proportion to the other rooms. My initial thoughts on the rooms are quite positive. The kitchen is still too small, but if the pantry is reduced, it will improve.