ᐅ Floor Plan for a Multi-Generational Home Conversion of an Old Barn

Created on: 9 Feb 2021 21:56
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derclaus
Hello dear forum members,

I have been quietly following the discussions for some time now and am curious to share the first drafts of our house construction project—to see what feedback I get. I can hardly imagine that anyone outside of this project can really understand it, but I will do my best to make the introduction as clear and informative as possible.

Background:

About two years ago, my family (wife, three children aged 7, 5, and 3), my sister-in-law, and my parents-in-law moved to an estate near Oldenburg. The estate measures about 3.5 hectares (including 2 hectares (5 acres) of pasture for my sister-in-law’s horses). Over the past few years, we have been almost daily occupied with restoring the estate and maintaining the surrounding land and large areas.

Current Status GROUND FLOOR

Together with a friend (a carpenter and exhibition builder), I started planning the conversion of the barn belonging to the estate to create an apartment for my family. However, most of the work comes from me; my friend only gave me some initial support and is not further involved in the project. The usable footprint is predetermined because part of the barn must remain storage space for equipment, etc. We have already made several drafts, and I would like to share what I consider the best ones here. Overall, we are quite satisfied with the ground floor approach, but the lighting situation is particularly challenging since windows can only be placed on one side—as only the south side of the barn can be converted. The plan is to include a living-dining-kitchen area with a fireplace, staircase, utility room, master bedroom with walk-in closet, and a full bathroom preferably with a bathtub.

An important note: two pillars (30x30cm (12x12 inches)) run from the floor all the way to the roof. These cannot be altered for structural reasons and also affect the layout of the upper floor, including room arrangements and staircase positioning. We have fixed the south side width at 14–15 meters (46–49 feet), with a maximum of 16 meters (52 feet) possible, but no more.

Current Status UPPER FLOOR

So far, I have only worked roughly on this level since I am still not satisfied with the ground floor layout. I have attached a rough draft for the three children’s rooms and the bathroom.

It is important to note: at this level, there are additional supports branching off from the mentioned pillars, running diagonally from the floor to the ceiling toward the north, which cannot be removed either. In my opinion, these should be incorporated into the walls. A door could be installed at the outer edge of such a wall. But we have not reached that point yet...

Information about the FLOOR PLAN PLANNING:
As far as I can judge, not all details (such as floor area ratio, gross floor area ratio, etc.) are relevant for this existing building construction. I will provide these as far as possible and will do my best to answer questions from the community.

From my side GENERAL COMMENTS:
I welcome any and all constructive feedback and will not be disappointed if it challenges my views on how everything should look. At this stage, any aspect or wall can still be changed. I’m looking forward to it.

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Development Plan / Restrictions
Size of the property: 3.5 hectares (8.6 acres, including 2 hectares (5 acres) of pasture)
Slope: none
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof with 50-degree pitch, barn approx. 12 meters (39 feet) high
Style: estate style
Orientation: conversion on the south side
Maximum height / limits: unknown
Other requirements: According to the building authority, the drafts can be realized without problems.

Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: single-family home on an estate (conversion of existing building)
Floors: ground floor + upper floor (2 full floors) + option to convert the attic
Number of people, ages: 5 people: 46, 37, 7, 5, 3
Space requirements ground floor, upper floor: 200 square meters (2150 square feet) +
Office usage, home office?: office currently not planned, if possible with a single workspace
Guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open, but living & dining area should not be too open
Conservative or modern construction: rather modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: at least 6
Fireplace: yes, in the living-dining room, preferably on an exterior wall
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no, only a terrace facing the garden—preferably with a terrace door
Garage, carport: no, parking spaces available
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: no
Preferred heating technology: connected to the main house’s heating, so not relevant

House design
Designer: own design
What do you particularly like? Why?:
- We really like the ground floor with its large south-facing windows; it’s necessary to bring light into the barn’s interior and the far corners of the living room
- The access to the parents’ area is not directly from the hallway. Even though it costs space, I like it this way.

What do you dislike? Why?:
- I am very undecided about how to fit a bathroom on the ground floor.
- The big question is whether the living room should extend to the rear wall. I think there's still light there, but I don’t quite know how to best use the space. Or should a staircase be placed behind it?
- The access to the living room is unclear to me. On one hand, we prefer it to be closed off; on the other, keeping the option to open it up sounds interesting—possibly with a sliding door.
- We like seeing the staircase from the entrance (rather than hiding it in a dark corner).

If you had to give up on some details or features,
-Could you give up on: bathtub in the bathroom next to the parents’ bedroom; a shower is sufficient
-Cannot give up: office (could also be located in the attic; currently, there are alternatives in the main house)

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ESTATE – the photo shows the barn, overall dimensions 30 meters (98 feet) long, 20 meters (66 feet) wide – so only the southwest side can be converted.



Interior of a barn: timber beam roof structure, staircase, tools, building materials, and equipment.

Exterior view of a red brick house with terrace, garden furniture, plants, and clothesline.


PRELIMINARY DESIGNS – OPEN CONCEPT Drafts 21A + 21B

Floor plan of a house: open living/dining area, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, stairs, void space.

Floor plan of a house: open living with kitchen and dining table, living room, hallway, bathroom, bedroom, stairs.


Red brick roof over a red brick building with garden


Floor plan of an apartment: open living area, dining area, hallway, bedroom, bathroom.


Floor plan: open living/kitchen area with dining space, stairs, bedroom, bathroom, and outdoor area.
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icandoit
24 Mar 2021 09:52
I have four double casement windows with top vents and electric opening at the ridge. I opened them occasionally at the very beginning, but haven’t opened them at all in the last 10 years.

For you, having the only opening as a top vent above the staircase that can be opened electrically is probably quite practical. Therefore, I recommend a larger double casement window.

Similarly, in the children’s rooms, one wide window is better than two narrow ones.

Make use of the replacement in the roof structure. Spacing between two rafters makes sense in my opinion. What is the rafter spacing? Are there double casement windows available in the appropriate width?

Does the roof structure need reinforcing? What does the structural engineer say?

My double casement window is 1.1 m (3.6 ft) wide and 1.2 m (3.9 ft) high.
derclaus24 Mar 2021 10:09
Thank you.

We can reposition the rafters, but the current layout already fits well (and if we go wider, we can also interrupt the rafters). The current spacing is about 90cm (35 inches), and a double casement window 80cm (31.5 inches) wide would fit nicely. Two 80cm (31.5 inches) windows side by side seems huge for a children’s room, though. I’m more inclined to use a single, wide window for the rooms. For a first step, can I base the dimensions on your 1.1m / 1.2m (3.6 ft / 3.9 ft) measurements related to the rooms? The roof pitch is approximately 40 degrees (40°)…
derclaus24 Mar 2021 17:26
evelinoz schrieb:

if you want, I can draw a kitchen layout for you. But I’ll need some measurements and the approximate ceiling height.

Hello @evelinoz, if you like, you can give me some advice about the kitchen. I’m currently doing some research, but are there any basic principles I should keep in mind or that come to your mind? What I know is the 1.2m (4 feet) distance between island and cabinet row, which is needed to open drawers. I don’t know much more than that – the cooking island I just turned towards the window for aesthetic reasons. If you have time and feel like it, feel free to write something about it...

Clear ceiling height in cm: 295 (116 inches)
Heating system: Underfloor heating
Plumbing connections: Completely flexible
Fridge type: Side-by-side (approx. 90cm (35 inches) wide)
Built-in fridge size: Not yet known
Extractor hood: Vented exhaust
Wall oven built-in: Yes, please
Planned hot appliances: Built-in microwave, oven
Built-in dishwasher height: Would be nice
Cooktop type: Induction or gas
Cooktop width (approx. in cm): 60 (24 inches)
Seating in the kitchen or kitchen area: None, dining table nearby
Seating at the kitchen island: Would be nice, 2–3 seats
What stands or should stand on the countertop? Coffee machine, kettle, toaster, fruit bowl
Which other kitchen appliances need storage? Slicer (e.g. in drawer), hand mixer, blender, immersion blender
What else besides the standard kitchen equipment should be stored? N/A
What other storage is available? Pantry
What and how is cooked? (Everyday cooking, menus, snacks, etc.): Everyday cooking, occasional menus
How often is cooking done? At least once warm meal daily, almost every day
Cooking alone or together? With or for guests? Usually two people, sometimes with all three children
Sink type: Single basin with drainer
Waste separation in the kitchen: Yellow bag (recyclables), general waste, compost
Is a kitchen manufacturer decided or preferred? No
Is a brand for appliances decided or preferred? No
Kitchen style: We like handleless kitchens, a modern/purist style, preferably white with granite countertops.
Budget: No idea, about 10,000 euros, maybe a bit more

Best regards to all. Thanks for reading and your time.

2D-Grundriss offener Kuechenbereich mit Insel und Essplatz
derclaus27 Apr 2021 18:45
Construction is progressing rapidly. Here are some photos—I mentioned I would update you again. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to provide regular updates, as time has become too tight...

A big thank you once again, especially to ypg for their great input. Even though everything turned out differently than originally suggested, I really appreciate their wonderful alternative proposal. Now it is what it is, and we’re curious to see how it will develop further. 🙂

Construction workers installing wooden roof frame on an incomplete building; construction debris on the ground.

Stack of metal rods on a wooden board; construction site visible through wall opening, house in the background.


Interior of a construction site with horizontally placed wooden beam structure, three supports, and ladder on the left.

Interior of a shell construction with wooden roof truss, concrete walls, and scaffolding.
11ant27 Apr 2021 18:49
Are the dark interior photos taken from the other side of the house or from before the roof was covered?
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derclaus27 Apr 2021 19:11
Good point – that is misleading. There are 2-3 days between the photos. They were taken before the roof was covered.