ᐅ Floor Plan Design for a Single-Family Home (140 sqm Urban Villa) on a Slope with a Double Garage

haydee schrieb:
Not more expensive than backfilling, gable there, bay window here, hipped roof on top

The HK 120 might fit better with the planned budget, but it doesn’t fit a wardrobe in the bedroom

Of course it is more expensive. Removing the slope is not the main cost driver. The transport and disposal of the excess soil is. No company wanted to take 900 cubic meters for less than €20,000. The original poster has even more.

Climbee schrieb:
kaho, my bag of chips is almost empty, but I’m happy to share some

*hands it over*

Thanks. *munch*

6 euros per cubic meter - 6 km (3.7 miles) distance.
For that price, you don’t get excavation or compaction.

They need to either excavate or add fill material and compact it properly, preferably with a compaction certificate.
Both cost extra and must be clarified in advance.

haydee schrieb:
6 euros per cubic meter - 6 km (3.7 miles) distance.
For that price, you won’t get any filling or compaction.

They have to excavate or bring in fill material and properly compact it, preferably with a compaction certificate.
Both cost extra and must be clarified.

Here, Z0 soil costs 22 euros per cubic meter (without compaction). Z1.1 costs three times as much.

haydee schrieb:
he needs to clarify that

Like so many other things still.

Franky, sorry, but I—and apparently not just me—have given up by now. We are on page 73 of this thread and this is the 438th post. Unfortunately, I still can’t see any learning curve.

It’s good that you’ve accepted you won’t manage with the originally planned €250,000 (around $270,000). However, I’m still missing a clear indication of your price limit. But that’s not the only thing.

You come across like a little boy let loose in a candy store who wants everything he sees. Unfortunately, he didn’t listen when mom said: only two items!

It’s great, this and that, it would be amazing and special and so on and so forth…

The suggestion was already made: sit down on the plot and really think about how it will be. What can you imagine, what not. I hope you have some spatial awareness. A sloped plot is a sloped plot is a sloped plot. Period. Two parts, no more!
Furthermore, building can’t exceed one and a half stories. These are very clear regulations: slope, zoning or building permit/planning permission.
So, with these rules (two parts!!! Listen to mom!!) you should really take a step back and clarify what works, what doesn’t, what you want, what you don’t. That step is completely missing for me.
You are already building the roof but don’t yet know what the foundation should be like.

It’s fine if you go to general contractors. However, they usually just put your input on paper because it saves time, money, and effort. Innovation looks different.
I think this question was already asked here: why don’t you go to an architect? Even with an architect’s design, you can later approach a general contractor.

In the beginning, almost all of us bought every housebuilding magazine we could find. High-end designer styles with architectural ambition, mass-market prefab house magazines, we visited model home parks to see which layouts we liked, what appealed to us more, what didn’t. To get a feel for proportions. We took the plot plan and—since we don’t have a zoning plan but rather a general building clause (§34 under German law)—clarified where the house could stand and what dimensions were possible, considering setback areas. Whether to include the slope (ours is slight) or not. Embank or excavate. For every option, we came up with a very basic draft.
We knew what we liked, why, what we didn’t, what would be nice depending on the design, and what compromises we had to accept. We thought about where we would sit outside, how far the paths to the fridge would be, etc.
Then the architect arrived. At first, he was not interested in our ideas but asked about our requirements and created a design from that. It was quite similar to ours (which made us very proud, we weren’t that bad after all!) but had some really good ideas that I’m still grateful for today. I could also easily understand those ideas because I already had a very good feel for the house and its location. We immediately discarded some of the architect’s suggestions because they didn’t fit (for example, his first design was 3 meters (10 feet) longer, but we didn’t want such a huge box).
Today, I am working on constantly improved plans for the construction drawing phase, and even now there are details that change. But it is STILL US who are responsible and I can already walk through the house blindfolded because I’ve spent so much time over the plans.

The entire last paragraph is completely missing for you. You see something, love it, want it exactly like that!
Then someone says, wait, that won’t work for you, it’s a sloped plot, right? Only one and a half floors allowed, right?
Oh, you say, what a shame, that would be my dream house!
Half a day later, you come with a completely different design, which is so great, you want it exactly like that, a DREAM HOUSE!
What, the gable can’t be done? Oh, what a pity!
Etc. etc.

So, my good advice before I reach for the chips bag again watching this show: educate yourself, look around, clarify what you want. Two parts! Not the whole store. Consume print media, visit model homes, get involved with the subject. You are still waiting for input.
Or find someone to help you. They are called architects. But even then, it will be you making the final decisions and here we are again: you must know what you want. The architect might give you more guidance by making useful suggestions regarding the plot and building regulations (but even here, not all are perfect). A general contractor with a draftsman wants to build, not design. If the standard design fits, that’s fine (and those are usually not bad), but you have a special starting point.

Right now, you get proposals from somewhere, whether that’s Kaho or a general contractor, and you are delighted, great! Just like the next one and the next one and the next.
I see no consistent direction, no fundamental concept, simply nothing. At some point, the general contractor will probably get frustrated too.

But if you want a result that satisfies you, you won’t avoid the hard work of getting familiar with this yourself.

Finally start.

Though: who will provide me with my soap opera then????

@Climbee: That sums it up perfectly. It couldn’t have been put better! Maybe it will finally get through now!