ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family house approximately 170 m², without a basement, featuring a carport
Created on: 6 Jun 2022 20:07
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Questionnaire about your floor plan
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 477 m² (5,134 ft²)
Slope No
Site coverage ratio 0.3
Floor area ratio 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary 14 x 14 meters (46 x 46 feet)
Setbacks South/North 5 m (16 ft); East/West 2.50 m (8 ft)
Number of parking spaces 2 (side by side)
Number of floors 2
Roof type Gable roof
Architectural style
Orientation East/West
Maximum heights / limits
Other regulations
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors No basement, 2 floors
Number of people, ages 3: 33, 32, and 1.5 years (4th planned)
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, guest room, guest WC/shower, utility room, storage room, pantry
Upper floor: bathroom, laundry room, work corner, bedroom, 2 children’s rooms
Office: family use or home office? Home office 3 days per week
Guests per year approx. once a month grandparents visit overnight; plus approx. 3–6 additional visits per year
Open or closed architecture open
Conservative or modern construction modern?
Open kitchen, kitchen island open, island preferred but not a must
Number of dining seats
Fireplace No
Music/home cinema wall Guest room to include “cinema”; 7.2.4 speakers + screen or TV
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Double carport (5.50 m wide x 6 m long (18 x 20 ft) + storage room (5.5 m wide x 3 m long [18 x 10 ft])
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House design
Who designed it:
- Architect Architect of the house supplier
What do you like most? Why? Open layout; living room somewhat separated; straight staircase (not a must); guest WC not directly by the entrance but nicely connected to guest room; long corridor upstairs for window seat and extra play area for children; large children’s rooms; large bathroom; appealing corner terrace solution possible (NW)
What don’t you like? Why? Pantry too small – probably not very practical this way; guest room too small – integrating cinema difficult; living room too narrow (3.50 m / 11.5 ft); only 1 m (3.3 ft) width between staircase and wall (too narrow?); guest WC big enough?; kitchen too small? Kitchen (half) island probably hard to implement well; no dedicated home office space
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 500,000
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 550,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
- can you do without: straight staircase; guest WC not next to front door; kitchen island; possibly pantry accessible from kitchen; children’s rooms could be a bit smaller
- can’t you do without: guest room; open kitchen/dining area; guest WC with shower; home office space; bathroom with walk-in, level-access shower & bathtub
Why has the design turned out the way it is? E.g. standard design from planner? Developed jointly according to our wishes
What makes it especially good or bad in your view? Many of our wishes already implemented
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are we overlooking anything fundamental? What changes should we make? Is a narrow corridor a big issue?
The carport is planned as a double carport on the south side adjoining the recess of the utility room. It is intended to be 5.5 m (18 ft) wide x 9 m (30 ft) long, including a storage room with a length of 3 m (10 ft). Is the planned width sufficient for two cars side by side assuming no SUVs? We plan to use a station wagon like a Skoda Superb and a small car such as a Mercedes A-Class or Toyota Leaf.
The carport positioning is planned as follows:
The house itself would be pushed fully to the eastern building boundary to maximize the western garden area.
The current floor plan from the architect looks like this:
We have already considered some optimizations.
Central to our considerations is adding a second recess on the north side where the living room is, measuring 1 m (3.3 ft) long and 4 m (13 ft) wide, and including a laundry room on the upper floor to house washer and dryer.
This would allow reducing the size of the utility room on the ground floor significantly. We would shorten the utility room by 0.7 m (2.3 ft), leaving about 9 m² (97 ft²). The freed-up space would benefit the guest WC, guest room, and living room.
In the kitchen, we would like to extend the pantry fully along the wall and place the kitchen before it. We have tried to mark our ideas on the floor plan:
Is the kitchen large enough for a household of 3 to 4 people? An island solution will probably be difficult to realize, right?
Upstairs, the gained space from the recess would be used for the laundry room. In the plan shown below, we placed the study next to the laundry room; however, we have reconsidered and now prefer to position the work corner where the storage space currently is. The work corner doesn’t need much space, primarily just a desk about 1.60 m (5.2 ft) wide. If there is room for a small cabinet, that’s nice but not essential. Where we marked the study, we would instead plan a walk-in closet. Unfortunately, we have not found a better location for the work corner. We also considered moving it near the children’s rooms, but then the child bedrooms would probably become rather small (about 12–13 m² / 130–140 ft²). These will definitely be adjusted to the same size regardless.
Maybe you have some ideas.
The windows on the ground and upper floor are not finalized yet; these are currently placeholders.
We welcome all comments 🙂.
P.S.: Here is the old planning thread:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bebauung-Grundstück-keller-ja-oder-nein.42556/
The planning has fundamentally changed since then, and the plot has meanwhile been remeasured.
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 477 m² (5,134 ft²)
Slope No
Site coverage ratio 0.3
Floor area ratio 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary 14 x 14 meters (46 x 46 feet)
Setbacks South/North 5 m (16 ft); East/West 2.50 m (8 ft)
Number of parking spaces 2 (side by side)
Number of floors 2
Roof type Gable roof
Architectural style
Orientation East/West
Maximum heights / limits
Other regulations
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors No basement, 2 floors
Number of people, ages 3: 33, 32, and 1.5 years (4th planned)
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, guest room, guest WC/shower, utility room, storage room, pantry
Upper floor: bathroom, laundry room, work corner, bedroom, 2 children’s rooms
Office: family use or home office? Home office 3 days per week
Guests per year approx. once a month grandparents visit overnight; plus approx. 3–6 additional visits per year
Open or closed architecture open
Conservative or modern construction modern?
Open kitchen, kitchen island open, island preferred but not a must
Number of dining seats
Fireplace No
Music/home cinema wall Guest room to include “cinema”; 7.2.4 speakers + screen or TV
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Double carport (5.50 m wide x 6 m long (18 x 20 ft) + storage room (5.5 m wide x 3 m long [18 x 10 ft])
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House design
Who designed it:
- Architect Architect of the house supplier
What do you like most? Why? Open layout; living room somewhat separated; straight staircase (not a must); guest WC not directly by the entrance but nicely connected to guest room; long corridor upstairs for window seat and extra play area for children; large children’s rooms; large bathroom; appealing corner terrace solution possible (NW)
What don’t you like? Why? Pantry too small – probably not very practical this way; guest room too small – integrating cinema difficult; living room too narrow (3.50 m / 11.5 ft); only 1 m (3.3 ft) width between staircase and wall (too narrow?); guest WC big enough?; kitchen too small? Kitchen (half) island probably hard to implement well; no dedicated home office space
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 500,000
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 550,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
- can you do without: straight staircase; guest WC not next to front door; kitchen island; possibly pantry accessible from kitchen; children’s rooms could be a bit smaller
- can’t you do without: guest room; open kitchen/dining area; guest WC with shower; home office space; bathroom with walk-in, level-access shower & bathtub
Why has the design turned out the way it is? E.g. standard design from planner? Developed jointly according to our wishes
What makes it especially good or bad in your view? Many of our wishes already implemented
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are we overlooking anything fundamental? What changes should we make? Is a narrow corridor a big issue?
The carport is planned as a double carport on the south side adjoining the recess of the utility room. It is intended to be 5.5 m (18 ft) wide x 9 m (30 ft) long, including a storage room with a length of 3 m (10 ft). Is the planned width sufficient for two cars side by side assuming no SUVs? We plan to use a station wagon like a Skoda Superb and a small car such as a Mercedes A-Class or Toyota Leaf.
The carport positioning is planned as follows:
The house itself would be pushed fully to the eastern building boundary to maximize the western garden area.
The current floor plan from the architect looks like this:
We have already considered some optimizations.
Central to our considerations is adding a second recess on the north side where the living room is, measuring 1 m (3.3 ft) long and 4 m (13 ft) wide, and including a laundry room on the upper floor to house washer and dryer.
This would allow reducing the size of the utility room on the ground floor significantly. We would shorten the utility room by 0.7 m (2.3 ft), leaving about 9 m² (97 ft²). The freed-up space would benefit the guest WC, guest room, and living room.
In the kitchen, we would like to extend the pantry fully along the wall and place the kitchen before it. We have tried to mark our ideas on the floor plan:
Is the kitchen large enough for a household of 3 to 4 people? An island solution will probably be difficult to realize, right?
Upstairs, the gained space from the recess would be used for the laundry room. In the plan shown below, we placed the study next to the laundry room; however, we have reconsidered and now prefer to position the work corner where the storage space currently is. The work corner doesn’t need much space, primarily just a desk about 1.60 m (5.2 ft) wide. If there is room for a small cabinet, that’s nice but not essential. Where we marked the study, we would instead plan a walk-in closet. Unfortunately, we have not found a better location for the work corner. We also considered moving it near the children’s rooms, but then the child bedrooms would probably become rather small (about 12–13 m² / 130–140 ft²). These will definitely be adjusted to the same size regardless.
Maybe you have some ideas.
The windows on the ground and upper floor are not finalized yet; these are currently placeholders.
We welcome all comments 🙂.
P.S.: Here is the old planning thread:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bebauung-Grundstück-keller-ja-oder-nein.42556/
The planning has fundamentally changed since then, and the plot has meanwhile been remeasured.
K a t j a schrieb:
A quarter-turn staircase priced at 3500 euros from the general contractor. We found it too unattractive. So we preferred to have a staircase installed by the stair builder for 7500 euros instead.Okay, a landing staircase is really not expensive 😉S
SandyBlack8 Jun 2022 15:09Regarding the garden:
We currently live in the city and have a garden area of only 4.30 meters (14 feet) in length, which works well for us. We don’t need a huge garden. What’s important to us is to have a nice space on the terrace for eating and sitting, room on the lawn to set up a gazebo sometimes, and still have space for a play area for the kids (possibly a sandbox; play tower). Therefore, we don’t see the 5-meter (16 feet) lawn area on the north side as a “leftover” at all.
We plan to do both the driveway and the landscaping ourselves. So we could still decide on this quite spontaneously. The idea of grass pavers is good. It should definitely help the soil if everything is not paved over. Do they have any big disadvantages compared to paving stones?
We have a fixed price for the 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) base area, which is already set. Every additional square meter costs between €1,800 and €2,000 (€167-185 per sq ft). That’s why we planned an extra budget of €25,000 for the floor plan. We definitely don’t want to increase the size by more than 10 sqm (108 sq ft). Of course, it would be even better if we didn’t need that budget at all.
Okay, we would definitely have to ask about the extra cost for a landing staircase. But if it’s too expensive, we could also do a half-turn staircase, right? We have been too fixated on a straight staircase in the past but now realize it has many disadvantages. So it’s not a problem at all for us if it’s not straight. A landing stair would be nicer than a half-turn because the wider steps in the stairwell area make it safer for the children.
I don’t understand that yet. Katja’s floor plan meets all our room requirements, honestly even more than we expected. The office looks much more spacious than we had planned. The pantry is also quite large. You could even create a storage room under the stairs, right? Even if not, the pantry looks big enough that we could do without a separate storage room. The living areas all look decent, although it’s a bit difficult to judge as the sizes in square meters are not shown. But in principle, the room layout looks very good. Only the walk-in closet is missing – but we could easily do without it as well. The suggestion with the north terrace even addresses that. What am I missing here?
What do you mean by we don’t have to protect ourselves from our own yard/car? Do you mean that no privacy screen is necessary there?
We currently live in the city and have a garden area of only 4.30 meters (14 feet) in length, which works well for us. We don’t need a huge garden. What’s important to us is to have a nice space on the terrace for eating and sitting, room on the lawn to set up a gazebo sometimes, and still have space for a play area for the kids (possibly a sandbox; play tower). Therefore, we don’t see the 5-meter (16 feet) lawn area on the north side as a “leftover” at all.
motorradsilke schrieb:
You can also buy large trees or bushes right away. It’s all a matter of budget. It will become private if you choose the right plants.
However, I wouldn’t plant a very tall hedge directly next to the terrace. It feels too enclosed for us. We once had a flowerbed with fairly tall plants right next to the terrace, which we removed because it felt too restrictive. Without it, it now feels much better and more open.
For you, I would rather suggest making the driveway with grass pavers (lawn grids), so it looks green and putting the privacy screen along the fence. If there is only limited space, for example, let ivy grow on the fence or have a small hedge on the right side of the terrace towards the garage at most.
We plan to do both the driveway and the landscaping ourselves. So we could still decide on this quite spontaneously. The idea of grass pavers is good. It should definitely help the soil if everything is not paved over. Do they have any big disadvantages compared to paving stones?
ypg schrieb:
That is generally true. But if you have to pay €3,000 per square meter (around $270 per sq ft), 30 sqm (320 sq ft) may not be the €90,000 extra (since the house systems are already planned), but it is still €40,000-50,000 more.
We have a fixed price for the 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) base area, which is already set. Every additional square meter costs between €1,800 and €2,000 (€167-185 per sq ft). That’s why we planned an extra budget of €25,000 for the floor plan. We definitely don’t want to increase the size by more than 10 sqm (108 sq ft). Of course, it would be even better if we didn’t need that budget at all.
ypg schrieb:
A straight staircase doesn’t cost a fortune, but it takes up a lot of space, especially if it is enclosed and placed in a hallway. Katja’s stairs are expensive with the landing… I don’t know about Katja’s software here, because it often shows a different stair option than she means.
Here is the quote from “it would be nice,” which I am referencing.
Okay, we would definitely have to ask about the extra cost for a landing staircase. But if it’s too expensive, we could also do a half-turn staircase, right? We have been too fixated on a straight staircase in the past but now realize it has many disadvantages. So it’s not a problem at all for us if it’s not straight. A landing stair would be nicer than a half-turn because the wider steps in the stairwell area make it safer for the children.
ypg schrieb:
I don’t see the room layout at the moment (based on my sketches from last night). I doubt you need a straight staircase that will be enclosed anyway, and an extra room between the utility room and pantry also seems unrealistic if you want to have nice living spaces.
I don’t understand that yet. Katja’s floor plan meets all our room requirements, honestly even more than we expected. The office looks much more spacious than we had planned. The pantry is also quite large. You could even create a storage room under the stairs, right? Even if not, the pantry looks big enough that we could do without a separate storage room. The living areas all look decent, although it’s a bit difficult to judge as the sizes in square meters are not shown. But in principle, the room layout looks very good. Only the walk-in closet is missing – but we could easily do without it as well. The suggestion with the north terrace even addresses that. What am I missing here?
ypg schrieb:
The advantage of your plot is that you don’t need to protect yourselves from a main road. I don’t know any backland plots, second-row houses, or those on small cul-de-sacs that also have to protect themselves significantly from their own yard and cars 😉
What do you mean by we don’t have to protect ourselves from our own yard/car? Do you mean that no privacy screen is necessary there?
SandyBlack schrieb:
We will handle both the driveway and the landscaping ourselves. That’s brave. Do you have an excavator with an operator in the family? The driveway was the first thing I outsourced to my general contractor because it was unrealistic for me to do it myself, but important to have in place to "settle in" at first.
SandyBlack schrieb:
We have a fixed price for the 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) floor area, which is already confirmed. Each additional square meter costs between 1,800 and 2,000 euros.
That’s why we planned an extra budget of 25,000 for the floor plan. We definitely don’t want to increase the size by more than 10 m² (108 sq ft).
But of course, if we didn’t need that budget, it would be even better. No offense, but could you please show the relevant section of your contract regarding this point? You don’t have a finalized floor plan but have a fixed price between 1,800 and 2,000 euros?
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motorradsilke8 Jun 2022 15:51Grass pavers have disadvantages when it comes to snow removal because the surface is not smooth. You also can’t just quickly sweep them like a paved surface; you have to take care of the grass in between and mow it.
You can also build a driveway yourself if you have a reasonably level area, enough time, and strength. If necessary, small excavators are also available for rent.
You can also build a driveway yourself if you have a reasonably level area, enough time, and strength. If necessary, small excavators are also available for rent.
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SandyBlack8 Jun 2022 16:15K a t j a schrieb:
That’s quite bold. Do you have a digger with an operator in the family? The driveway was the first thing I handed over to my general contractor because it was impossible for me to do but important to get the project started. We have a family acquaintance who used to do that and will help us. We plan to rent a mini excavator.
SoL schrieb:
No offense, but could you please show your contract section on that point? You don’t have a finalized floor plan but agreed on a fixed price between 1800 and 2000 euros? No worries 🙂. We signed a housing contract based on a specific price list. All changes we make will be calculated according to this "old" price list. Our contract was based on a floor plan with 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) of living space. Any floor plan with the same size would therefore be cost-neutral for us. The 1800 to 2000 euros per square meter extra is the statement from our sales manager. However, prices there have already increased by more than 10% since – but luckily, as mentioned, this no longer affects us.
motorradsilke schrieb:
Grass pavers have disadvantages when it comes to snow removal because the surface isn’t smooth. And you can’t just quickly sweep them like a paved surface; you have to take care of the grass in between and mow it.
You can also install a driveway yourself if you have a fairly level surface, enough time, and strength. And if necessary, small excavators like these are available to rent. Okay, that makes sense. Maintenance is definitely more work with grass pavers. 🙂
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