ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family house approximately 170 m², without a basement, featuring a carport
Created on: 6 Jun 2022 20:07
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SandyBlack
Questionnaire about your floor plan
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 477 m² (5,134 ft²)
Slope No
Site coverage ratio 0.3
Floor area ratio 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary 14 x 14 meters (46 x 46 feet)
Setbacks South/North 5 m (16 ft); East/West 2.50 m (8 ft)
Number of parking spaces 2 (side by side)
Number of floors 2
Roof type Gable roof
Architectural style
Orientation East/West
Maximum heights / limits
Other regulations
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors No basement, 2 floors
Number of people, ages 3: 33, 32, and 1.5 years (4th planned)
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, guest room, guest WC/shower, utility room, storage room, pantry
Upper floor: bathroom, laundry room, work corner, bedroom, 2 children’s rooms
Office: family use or home office? Home office 3 days per week
Guests per year approx. once a month grandparents visit overnight; plus approx. 3–6 additional visits per year
Open or closed architecture open
Conservative or modern construction modern?
Open kitchen, kitchen island open, island preferred but not a must
Number of dining seats
Fireplace No
Music/home cinema wall Guest room to include “cinema”; 7.2.4 speakers + screen or TV
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Double carport (5.50 m wide x 6 m long (18 x 20 ft) + storage room (5.5 m wide x 3 m long [18 x 10 ft])
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House design
Who designed it:
- Architect Architect of the house supplier
What do you like most? Why? Open layout; living room somewhat separated; straight staircase (not a must); guest WC not directly by the entrance but nicely connected to guest room; long corridor upstairs for window seat and extra play area for children; large children’s rooms; large bathroom; appealing corner terrace solution possible (NW)
What don’t you like? Why? Pantry too small – probably not very practical this way; guest room too small – integrating cinema difficult; living room too narrow (3.50 m / 11.5 ft); only 1 m (3.3 ft) width between staircase and wall (too narrow?); guest WC big enough?; kitchen too small? Kitchen (half) island probably hard to implement well; no dedicated home office space
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 500,000
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 550,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
- can you do without: straight staircase; guest WC not next to front door; kitchen island; possibly pantry accessible from kitchen; children’s rooms could be a bit smaller
- can’t you do without: guest room; open kitchen/dining area; guest WC with shower; home office space; bathroom with walk-in, level-access shower & bathtub
Why has the design turned out the way it is? E.g. standard design from planner? Developed jointly according to our wishes
What makes it especially good or bad in your view? Many of our wishes already implemented
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are we overlooking anything fundamental? What changes should we make? Is a narrow corridor a big issue?
The carport is planned as a double carport on the south side adjoining the recess of the utility room. It is intended to be 5.5 m (18 ft) wide x 9 m (30 ft) long, including a storage room with a length of 3 m (10 ft). Is the planned width sufficient for two cars side by side assuming no SUVs? We plan to use a station wagon like a Skoda Superb and a small car such as a Mercedes A-Class or Toyota Leaf.
The carport positioning is planned as follows:
The house itself would be pushed fully to the eastern building boundary to maximize the western garden area.
The current floor plan from the architect looks like this:
We have already considered some optimizations.
Central to our considerations is adding a second recess on the north side where the living room is, measuring 1 m (3.3 ft) long and 4 m (13 ft) wide, and including a laundry room on the upper floor to house washer and dryer.
This would allow reducing the size of the utility room on the ground floor significantly. We would shorten the utility room by 0.7 m (2.3 ft), leaving about 9 m² (97 ft²). The freed-up space would benefit the guest WC, guest room, and living room.
In the kitchen, we would like to extend the pantry fully along the wall and place the kitchen before it. We have tried to mark our ideas on the floor plan:
Is the kitchen large enough for a household of 3 to 4 people? An island solution will probably be difficult to realize, right?
Upstairs, the gained space from the recess would be used for the laundry room. In the plan shown below, we placed the study next to the laundry room; however, we have reconsidered and now prefer to position the work corner where the storage space currently is. The work corner doesn’t need much space, primarily just a desk about 1.60 m (5.2 ft) wide. If there is room for a small cabinet, that’s nice but not essential. Where we marked the study, we would instead plan a walk-in closet. Unfortunately, we have not found a better location for the work corner. We also considered moving it near the children’s rooms, but then the child bedrooms would probably become rather small (about 12–13 m² / 130–140 ft²). These will definitely be adjusted to the same size regardless.
Maybe you have some ideas.
The windows on the ground and upper floor are not finalized yet; these are currently placeholders.
We welcome all comments 🙂.
P.S.: Here is the old planning thread:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bebauung-Grundstück-keller-ja-oder-nein.42556/
The planning has fundamentally changed since then, and the plot has meanwhile been remeasured.
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 477 m² (5,134 ft²)
Slope No
Site coverage ratio 0.3
Floor area ratio 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary 14 x 14 meters (46 x 46 feet)
Setbacks South/North 5 m (16 ft); East/West 2.50 m (8 ft)
Number of parking spaces 2 (side by side)
Number of floors 2
Roof type Gable roof
Architectural style
Orientation East/West
Maximum heights / limits
Other regulations
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors No basement, 2 floors
Number of people, ages 3: 33, 32, and 1.5 years (4th planned)
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor
Ground floor: kitchen, living room, guest room, guest WC/shower, utility room, storage room, pantry
Upper floor: bathroom, laundry room, work corner, bedroom, 2 children’s rooms
Office: family use or home office? Home office 3 days per week
Guests per year approx. once a month grandparents visit overnight; plus approx. 3–6 additional visits per year
Open or closed architecture open
Conservative or modern construction modern?
Open kitchen, kitchen island open, island preferred but not a must
Number of dining seats
Fireplace No
Music/home cinema wall Guest room to include “cinema”; 7.2.4 speakers + screen or TV
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Double carport (5.50 m wide x 6 m long (18 x 20 ft) + storage room (5.5 m wide x 3 m long [18 x 10 ft])
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House design
Who designed it:
- Architect Architect of the house supplier
What do you like most? Why? Open layout; living room somewhat separated; straight staircase (not a must); guest WC not directly by the entrance but nicely connected to guest room; long corridor upstairs for window seat and extra play area for children; large children’s rooms; large bathroom; appealing corner terrace solution possible (NW)
What don’t you like? Why? Pantry too small – probably not very practical this way; guest room too small – integrating cinema difficult; living room too narrow (3.50 m / 11.5 ft); only 1 m (3.3 ft) width between staircase and wall (too narrow?); guest WC big enough?; kitchen too small? Kitchen (half) island probably hard to implement well; no dedicated home office space
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 500,000
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 550,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up, which details/extensions
- can you do without: straight staircase; guest WC not next to front door; kitchen island; possibly pantry accessible from kitchen; children’s rooms could be a bit smaller
- can’t you do without: guest room; open kitchen/dining area; guest WC with shower; home office space; bathroom with walk-in, level-access shower & bathtub
Why has the design turned out the way it is? E.g. standard design from planner? Developed jointly according to our wishes
What makes it especially good or bad in your view? Many of our wishes already implemented
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are we overlooking anything fundamental? What changes should we make? Is a narrow corridor a big issue?
The carport is planned as a double carport on the south side adjoining the recess of the utility room. It is intended to be 5.5 m (18 ft) wide x 9 m (30 ft) long, including a storage room with a length of 3 m (10 ft). Is the planned width sufficient for two cars side by side assuming no SUVs? We plan to use a station wagon like a Skoda Superb and a small car such as a Mercedes A-Class or Toyota Leaf.
The carport positioning is planned as follows:
The house itself would be pushed fully to the eastern building boundary to maximize the western garden area.
The current floor plan from the architect looks like this:
We have already considered some optimizations.
Central to our considerations is adding a second recess on the north side where the living room is, measuring 1 m (3.3 ft) long and 4 m (13 ft) wide, and including a laundry room on the upper floor to house washer and dryer.
This would allow reducing the size of the utility room on the ground floor significantly. We would shorten the utility room by 0.7 m (2.3 ft), leaving about 9 m² (97 ft²). The freed-up space would benefit the guest WC, guest room, and living room.
In the kitchen, we would like to extend the pantry fully along the wall and place the kitchen before it. We have tried to mark our ideas on the floor plan:
Is the kitchen large enough for a household of 3 to 4 people? An island solution will probably be difficult to realize, right?
Upstairs, the gained space from the recess would be used for the laundry room. In the plan shown below, we placed the study next to the laundry room; however, we have reconsidered and now prefer to position the work corner where the storage space currently is. The work corner doesn’t need much space, primarily just a desk about 1.60 m (5.2 ft) wide. If there is room for a small cabinet, that’s nice but not essential. Where we marked the study, we would instead plan a walk-in closet. Unfortunately, we have not found a better location for the work corner. We also considered moving it near the children’s rooms, but then the child bedrooms would probably become rather small (about 12–13 m² / 130–140 ft²). These will definitely be adjusted to the same size regardless.
Maybe you have some ideas.
The windows on the ground and upper floor are not finalized yet; these are currently placeholders.
We welcome all comments 🙂.
P.S.: Here is the old planning thread:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bebauung-Grundstück-keller-ja-oder-nein.42556/
The planning has fundamentally changed since then, and the plot has meanwhile been remeasured.
ypg schrieb:
I made some sketches, using either Katja’s or your template… it’s always just under 200 square meters (2,150 square feet)… you really need to slim down. Otherwise, the budget will get tight.These are my concerns as well. The wishes keep pushing all limits again. Do you really need both an office and a guest room? Not everyone has a walk-in closet either. Trying to fit so many rooms into 170 square meters (1,830 square feet) will, in my opinion, be a mess. Either increase the budget or reduce the number of requirements.M
motorradsilke8 Jun 2022 07:48SandyBlack schrieb:
Okay, but a silly question:
Doesn’t it take forever for the hedge to grow tall enough, and will it really provide complete privacy?
You can also buy large trees or bushes already. It’s all a matter of budget. It will become privacy screening if you choose the right plants.
However, I wouldn’t plant a hedge that tall right next to the patio. For us, it feels too confining. We once had a garden bed with fairly tall plants directly by the patio. We removed it because it felt too cramped. Now, without that bed, it feels much better and more open.
I would rather suggest you pave the driveway with grass pavers to keep it green and use privacy screening at the fence. If space is limited, for example, you could let ivy grow on the fence. Or have a small hedge section on the right side of the patio facing the garage at most.
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SandyBlack8 Jun 2022 07:49@K a t j a Okay, the software might be a bit misleading here 🙂. It looks great though.
The issue with the driveway is that within the turning circle in front of the property, there are neighbors’ garages on both sides. If they have their cars parked outside, it becomes quite tight for turning around, and you would also have to drive backward down the slope. It’s not a big problem, and reversing into the property should work fine, since the driveway itself is about 4.50 meters (15 feet) wide, which should be sufficient.
Regarding the plot – we know it’s not a dream lot, but honestly, we’re really glad to have found anything in our area at all. Also, in the new development areas nearby, the plots are consistently even smaller – mostly ranging between 300 and 400 sqm (3,230 and 4,305 sq ft).
Regarding the budget: Our house price depends on the floor area. Since none of the drafted floor plans have a significantly larger area, we’re relaxed about that. Moreover, we’ve reserved 25,000 euros for adjusting the floor plan if it really gets bigger or if we need a bay window or something like that.
However, the office can be much smaller than shown now. A small work nook of about 2 x 2 meters (6.5 x 6.5 feet) would be enough for me.
Regarding setbacks: The development plan doesn’t mention any changes in height setbacks.
@ypg Do you mean a straight staircase like in our floor plan? We’re not fixed on that. We also like the two staircases from Katja’s drawings.
@S o L We don’t want a children’s bathroom. That’s what the shower in the guest WC is for.
The issue with the driveway is that within the turning circle in front of the property, there are neighbors’ garages on both sides. If they have their cars parked outside, it becomes quite tight for turning around, and you would also have to drive backward down the slope. It’s not a big problem, and reversing into the property should work fine, since the driveway itself is about 4.50 meters (15 feet) wide, which should be sufficient.
Regarding the plot – we know it’s not a dream lot, but honestly, we’re really glad to have found anything in our area at all. Also, in the new development areas nearby, the plots are consistently even smaller – mostly ranging between 300 and 400 sqm (3,230 and 4,305 sq ft).
Regarding the budget: Our house price depends on the floor area. Since none of the drafted floor plans have a significantly larger area, we’re relaxed about that. Moreover, we’ve reserved 25,000 euros for adjusting the floor plan if it really gets bigger or if we need a bay window or something like that.
However, the office can be much smaller than shown now. A small work nook of about 2 x 2 meters (6.5 x 6.5 feet) would be enough for me.
Regarding setbacks: The development plan doesn’t mention any changes in height setbacks.
@ypg Do you mean a straight staircase like in our floor plan? We’re not fixed on that. We also like the two staircases from Katja’s drawings.
@S o L We don’t want a children’s bathroom. That’s what the shower in the guest WC is for.
SandyBlack schrieb:
Our house price is based on the floor area. That is generally true. But if you have to pay 3,000€ per square meter, 30sqm (around 320 sq ft) isn’t the full 90,000€ additional cost (since the house’s technical installations are already planned), but it still means an extra 40,000 to 50,000€.
SandyBlack schrieb:
We also really like the two stairs from Katja’s drawings. A straight staircase isn’t very expensive but takes up a significant amount of space, especially if it’s placed in a hallway and not open. Katja’s stairs with a landing are costly… I’m also not sure about Katja’s software, as it often shows a different staircase variant than what she actually means. Here is the quote about “it would be nice,” which I’m referring to.
SandyBlack schrieb:
What we liked about the floor plan is pretty easy to answer. We thought it had everything we wanted 😉
Straight staircase, open kitchen and dining room, guest room, guest toilet with shower, and upstairs enough space for a workspace. As a bonus, there would have been a great opportunity for a window seat facing south upstairs. I currently don’t see the room layout (based on the sketches I made last night). Whether a straight staircase that will anyway be enclosed is necessary, I doubt. Also, an additional hallway to the utility room and pantry seems hardly feasible if you want nice living spaces as well. At current prices, you’re probably paying more than 50,000€ for 170sqm (about 1,830 sq ft). The advantage of your plot is that you don’t need to protect yourself from a main road. I don’t know any backyard plot, any house in a second row or small cul-de-sac, that also has to significantly protect itself from its own yard and car parking space 😉
ypg schrieb:
Katja’s stairs are expensive with a landing… I’m not sure about Katja’s software, as it often shows a different stair type than what she means.
Hold on – my stairs aren’t inherently expensive. I just want to avoid any misunderstandings. 😉
It’s correct that one is a true landing. The dimensions are 2.20 m x 3 m (7 ft 3 in x 9 ft 10 in). However, the price also depends heavily on the design. Back then, we had a quote from the general contractor for our quarter-turn staircase at 3,500 euros. We found it unattractive. So, we had the stair builder install one for 7,500 euros instead. 😱 😀 😎 That was the only extra premium feature we treated ourselves to.
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