ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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Traumfaenger28 Aug 2017 22:11R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
The door doesn’t really interfere with the floor plan. The question is how much it costs. Also, the risk of burglary would be reduced even without a door.
Bicycles and other items will also be stored in the garage. Maybe even empty bottles and similar things.If you also keep trash bins in the garage, travel frequently, and often need to load and unload the cars, a door might be worthwhile. It depends on your lifestyle habits. A typical T-30 fire-rated door with the appropriate security features and installation usually costs under 1,000 EUR (about 1,080 USD). Considering the total price, it’s practically a bargain.
ypg schrieb:
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A bit more calmness would do the house some good: things never turn out exactly as planned anyway
.........? What do I mean by that?
It’s just a house! You can build a house cheaply or expensively – small or large. Usually, it will fit your budget and eventually be resellable without losing value.
At some point, a house reaches its limit – you won’t get compensated for additional extras anymore. Some perfection becomes unnecessary. The house doesn’t gain anything – only the already moved-in homeowner, who got caught up in planning everything, still cares about it.
(The best example: Your first post in this thread showed that you were already very happy with the design... now it’s exactly like that...)
That’s the reality of perfection and the goal of sinking tons of money even after moving in.
Then the first child arrives, then twins... and that’s the end of perfection... or no child comes at all... or perfectionism drives one of you out of the house... (if changing the lavender walls to a dark red couch hasn’t already done that [emoji6])
And as I already wrote in the electrical thread: you plan to charge your phones in a certain corner of the house... but after moving in, you just don’t do it there, but somewhere else. You need to approach planning with some calmness because not everything can be planned. Homeowners who pass this on to the house.
I think it’s good, if the budget allows, to tweak the house planning and equip it with this and that, but at some point the house is full. Then you have to start living instead of just dwelling.
I don’t think you fully understand what I’m trying to convey – I often write with metaphors and would have liked to rearrange a paragraph, but that’s not possible on my tablet – but please don’t take it the wrong way, because no offense is intended [emoji847]
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R.Hotzenplotz29 Aug 2017 09:03ypg schrieb:
I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to convey – I also write a lot using metaphors and would like to move a paragraph now, which can’t be done on a tablet – but please don’t take it the wrong way, it’s not meant to be offensiveYes, I do understand that; after all, I don’t put on my pants with pliers.
I take it that you also want to plan a nice house, with your desired room layout, etc., but that things like smart home features or high-quality Q3 wall finishes are less important to you, as they only add subjective value.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I understand it as you also want to plan a nice house, with your desired room layout, etc., but that things like smart home features, Q3 wall quality, and so on are aspects that might not be so important to you, since they only add subjective value.No, that’s completely wrong.
Certain things, especially the appearance inside and outside the house, are important to me and to us, and this was implemented. But ultimately, the house is not the center of every part of our lives; it is just a means to an end—to live as comfortably and pleasantly as possible.
Building an impressive house on its own is one thing. But it’s another when you start cutting corners on features that are standard at this level of house—such as an internal garage door or, which I only recently noticed, an exit from the kitchen to the “kitchen terrace.”
In that respect, I found it completely inconsistent when you continued to design a playful exterior shell but saved money on ordinary things. The main elements look great from the outside, and everything else is planned to be added over the years.
I have nothing against work that can wait. But in your case, the focus on the building shell is very noticeable.
It somehow doesn’t fit together.
The house, the home construction, is a milestone in life, but there will be others that are more important and less predictable.
We currently own two houses, one similar in comparison to yours, the other roughly comparable. Both have been unsold for over a year due to reasons related to separation. Both are now rented out to strangers who are “wearing them down,” and the gardens are left unattended.
Above a certain budget, a house is no longer simply sold. Above a certain amount, you build yourself.
And the higher the overall standards (the house is still just a placeholder), the greater the risk of feeling trapped in a golden cage.
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R.Hotzenplotz29 Aug 2017 20:34ypg schrieb:
Another point is when you start cutting costs on features common at this house level (like an internal door to the garage or, which I only recently noticed, a kitchen exit to the "kitchen terrace").We are not building a typical house; we are building our house. Why would we include a kitchen exit if neither my wife nor I want one? We won’t be adding a terrace there either. The ground slopes in that area, and next to us is the neighbor’s large pine tree. This has nothing to do with saving money; we simply don’t want it because it doesn’t feel right for us.
The internal door to the garage came about because we originally had the kitchen on the left side, and you could enter the pantry directly from the garage. Why wouldn’t it be reasonable to reconsider whether we actually need access to the cloakroom? Just because it is common elsewhere?
ypg schrieb:
Above a certain budget level, a house is no longer just sold. Beyond a certain amount, you build it yourself.Exactly. That’s why we are building and not buying anything used.
ypg schrieb:
Here we currently have two houses, one similar to yours, the other comparable. Neither has sold for over a year.It’s completely clear that buying a house like this involves a certain risk. For us, it’s not an investment but the highest form of consumption one can choose.
Overall, we are very satisfied with what we have planned. We do not feel like we have excessively cut back or that anything is missing. On the contrary, we have a lot of space, will be able to furnish it at an upscale level without entering the luxury segment, and it also looks decent from the outside. I don’t see how we have focused too much on the exterior and too little on the interior. Therefore, I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion.
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