Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 327 m² (3,526 ft²)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building window, building line, and building boundary
§34 - 3 m (10 feet) setback, etc.
Edge development: Not relevant to the question
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: Gable
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation
Maximum heights/limits
Other requirements
The house itself is determined by the developer and therefore cannot be influenced in terms of dimensions, shape, and orientation (see floor plans). The focus is solely on the internal floor plans, layout, and optimal use of space.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Set by developer, as above
Basement, floors
No basement, 2 floors with converted attic
Number of occupants, age
Current: 2 adults, one child (8 years), two more children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Square meters predetermined by the building (52.44 m² (565 ft²) gross internal floor area)
Office: Home office?
Overnight guests per year: 8
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen: Yes, island only if not too cramped
Number of dining places: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: home cinema
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: no
Utility garden, greenhouse: later, not part of the question
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
We still need some storage space somewhere, as there is no basement.
Extra shower bathroom, because with 5 people in the morning it would otherwise get too congested, and also for guests.
Partner dislikes “slanted” room doors, so rooms should always be accessible at right angles (entry to kitchen/living room is an exception (but no door installed there either)).
House Design
Planner:
- Do-it-yourself based on a plan from the builder
What do you particularly like? Why?
6 rooms included, extra shower bathroom included, managed to get some storage space.
What do you dislike? Why?
Narrow bedroom, very small utility room (must be at least 5 m² (54 ft²) according to the builder), one room with many corners in the attic.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
300,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
330,000 (all in, excluding exterior works and additional costs)
Preferred heating technology:
Air source heat pump
If you had to give up, on which details/extensions
- could you give up:
Storage room (then maybe as a shed?)
- cannot give up:
Second shower bathroom, separate office
Why is the design the way it is? For example
Standard design by planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Self-modified design proposal from the builder. Originally had only 4 rooms.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is this floor plan even possible?
Have we forgotten something? Can it be made nicer somehow? According to the builder, the staircase can be smaller, but the space must probably be allocated to the utility room (which the builder says is too small).
We are particularly concerned about the lack of storage space (no basement, no attic).
Where do you store your stuff then (not bulky waste, but items you do not need all year round: inflatable boat and air mattress, Christmas tree, winter jackets, etc.)?
Location plan will follow.
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
Plot size: 327 m² (3,526 ft²)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building window, building line, and building boundary
§34 - 3 m (10 feet) setback, etc.
Edge development: Not relevant to the question
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: Gable
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation
Maximum heights/limits
Other requirements
The house itself is determined by the developer and therefore cannot be influenced in terms of dimensions, shape, and orientation (see floor plans). The focus is solely on the internal floor plans, layout, and optimal use of space.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Set by developer, as above
Basement, floors
No basement, 2 floors with converted attic
Number of occupants, age
Current: 2 adults, one child (8 years), two more children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Square meters predetermined by the building (52.44 m² (565 ft²) gross internal floor area)
Office: Home office?
Overnight guests per year: 8
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen: Yes, island only if not too cramped
Number of dining places: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: home cinema
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: no
Utility garden, greenhouse: later, not part of the question
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
We still need some storage space somewhere, as there is no basement.
Extra shower bathroom, because with 5 people in the morning it would otherwise get too congested, and also for guests.
Partner dislikes “slanted” room doors, so rooms should always be accessible at right angles (entry to kitchen/living room is an exception (but no door installed there either)).
House Design
Planner:
- Do-it-yourself based on a plan from the builder
What do you particularly like? Why?
6 rooms included, extra shower bathroom included, managed to get some storage space.
What do you dislike? Why?
Narrow bedroom, very small utility room (must be at least 5 m² (54 ft²) according to the builder), one room with many corners in the attic.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
300,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
330,000 (all in, excluding exterior works and additional costs)
Preferred heating technology:
Air source heat pump
If you had to give up, on which details/extensions
- could you give up:
Storage room (then maybe as a shed?)
- cannot give up:
Second shower bathroom, separate office
Why is the design the way it is? For example
Standard design by planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Self-modified design proposal from the builder. Originally had only 4 rooms.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is this floor plan even possible?
Have we forgotten something? Can it be made nicer somehow? According to the builder, the staircase can be smaller, but the space must probably be allocated to the utility room (which the builder says is too small).
We are particularly concerned about the lack of storage space (no basement, no attic).
Where do you store your stuff then (not bulky waste, but items you do not need all year round: inflatable boat and air mattress, Christmas tree, winter jackets, etc.)?
Location plan will follow.
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
Scout schrieb:
1 to 3%. The question is whether you are working with structural dimensions or clear dimensions.
Since you drew the plans yourself, you can’t really say exactly how thick the interior walls will be—you don’t even know yet whether they will be masonry or drywall, or what the structural engineer will specify. As a general guideline, for non-load-bearing partition walls, expect around 11 cm plus 1.5 cm plaster, totaling approximately 14 cm (about 5.5 inches). For load-bearing or exterior walls, the total thickness would be around 17 cm plus plaster, which is about 19 cm (7.5 inches) if plastered on one side, or 21 cm (8.3 inches) if plastered on both sides.However, I have the scope of work specification, and it states 24 cm (9.4 inches) sand-lime brick plus 16 cm (6.3 inches) insulation.
Tolentino schrieb:
But I have the scope of work, and it states 24cm (9.5 inches) sand-lime brick plus 16cm (6.3 inches) insulation.Okay, so on the "sunny" exterior walls you have 42cm (16.5 inches) total (including 2cm (0.8 inches) of topcoat plaster), and on the neighbor-facing exterior wall (maybe even with 17 or) 24cm (9.5 inches) sand-lime brick plus about 2cm (0.8 inches) air gap, since insulation is obviously not needed there. This means you have at least 14cm (5.5 inches) more air space at the party wall. That’s something! What about the interior walls?What is the roof design like?
Is the scope of work available online?
Scout schrieb:
Okay, so on the "sunny" exterior walls you have 42 cm (2 cm (1 inch) exterior plaster) and on the neighbor side the exterior wall (maybe even with a 17 or) 24 cm knee wall plus around 2 cm (1 inch) air gap, since insulation is obviously not needed there. This means you have at least 14 cm (6 inches) more air space on the party wall. Not bad! What about the interior walls?
What about the roof shape now?
Is the scope of work description available online? I don’t think so.
It’s planned to be a gable roof. Interior walls are 11.5 cm (4.5 inches) solid walls, except when drywall is structurally required.
A 3 m (10 feet) dormer was quoted with an additional 9,000 euros cost.
The roof pitch hasn’t been determined yet; the architect still needs to decide.
kaho674 schrieb:
Okay, so a dormer would be possible, but you still don’t know the knee wall height? This feels like pulling teeth here. Yes, that’s actually the case.
ypg schrieb:
What do you think about Kerstin’s suggestion in #53?
Are you open to separating the kitchen and living room?
At least there would be a quiet room for relaxation and retreat. I think I raised the question or made the statement that this would close off the rooms.
I’m familiar with both setups: separate kitchen with dining area and living room (childhood and shared flat) as well as an open-plan kitchen now. I find that a large open space automatically brings a sense of spaciousness that two smaller separated rooms don’t have.
The point about having a quiet space is definitely valid as well.
On the other hand, my previous attempts with a gable-end entrance always turned out badly. Apparently, I’m lacking creativity there. Maybe it’s also because it’s a semi-detached house. With a gable-end entrance, the side opposite the entrance naturally becomes a closed wall, but usually you would expect to have a terrace or some open area there (at least that’s what I’m used to from other sample floor plans).
Sorry, I just realized now that these are concrete proposals.
I’ll have to take another look at them.
Good luck
Tolentino
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