Hello,
We are currently planning a Next 125 kitchen for our house project. Our Next 125 kitchen is handleless with a glass front. It consists of a kitchen unit that is 4 m (13 feet) long. This includes a tall cabinet for the oven and one for the freezer-fridge combination. In addition, there are two tall cabinets with internal pull-outs. There are also two base cabinets with drawers, each 80 cm (31.5 inches) wide. Additionally, there are two wall cabinets and a shelf with a sliding door.
We have also planned an island that is 3.12 m (10.2 feet) long and 1.20 m (3.9 feet) wide. The cooktop and sink are installed on it.
The total cost for the kitchen, including Siemens appliances, a Falmec ventilation hood, delivery, and installation, is 21,000 euros. The appliance portion accounts for 5,900 euros. What do you think about this price?
We are currently planning a Next 125 kitchen for our house project. Our Next 125 kitchen is handleless with a glass front. It consists of a kitchen unit that is 4 m (13 feet) long. This includes a tall cabinet for the oven and one for the freezer-fridge combination. In addition, there are two tall cabinets with internal pull-outs. There are also two base cabinets with drawers, each 80 cm (31.5 inches) wide. Additionally, there are two wall cabinets and a shelf with a sliding door.
We have also planned an island that is 3.12 m (10.2 feet) long and 1.20 m (3.9 feet) wide. The cooktop and sink are installed on it.
The total cost for the kitchen, including Siemens appliances, a Falmec ventilation hood, delivery, and installation, is 21,000 euros. The appliance portion accounts for 5,900 euros. What do you think about this price?
For comparison, we have:
1. Tall cabinet with 2 internal pull-outs and otherwise shelves
2. Tall cabinet with oven and internal pull-outs at the bottom
3. Base cabinet 90cm (35 inches) wide with pull-outs
4. Base cabinet 100cm (39 inches) wide with pull-outs
5. omitted
6. Tall cabinet with refrigerator
7. 2 wall cabinets, each 60cm (24 inches) wide
1. Base cabinet for dishwasher
2. Base cabinet for sink with pull-out
3. Base cabinet with waste pull-out
4. Base cabinet 90cm (35 inches) wide with pull-outs
1. 30cm (12 inches) base cabinet as a pull-out pantry
2. 60cm (24 inches) base cabinet with pull-outs
3. 60cm (24 inches) base cabinet with door and shelves
So, the number of cabinets is roughly the same – it feels like you have one more cabinet. You have more internal pull-outs – for us, one costs about €100.
The appliances have an online retail value (always the lowest price found online) of about €4,200.
For Nolte, a price of €10,800 was quoted, and for Häcker Systemat, €11,200.
Fronts are a mix of lacquer and laminate – the worktop is laminate.
I think your fronts are more expensive – I also assume that the Next 125 from Schüller is pricier.
It’s difficult to assess the price absolutely, but maybe this gives you a reference. If you want to spend the money and then enjoy the great kitchen, that’s perfectly fine. If you want to save money, switching manufacturers or choosing different fronts could be an option.
1. Tall cabinet with 2 internal pull-outs and otherwise shelves
2. Tall cabinet with oven and internal pull-outs at the bottom
3. Base cabinet 90cm (35 inches) wide with pull-outs
4. Base cabinet 100cm (39 inches) wide with pull-outs
5. omitted
6. Tall cabinet with refrigerator
7. 2 wall cabinets, each 60cm (24 inches) wide
1. Base cabinet for dishwasher
2. Base cabinet for sink with pull-out
3. Base cabinet with waste pull-out
4. Base cabinet 90cm (35 inches) wide with pull-outs
1. 30cm (12 inches) base cabinet as a pull-out pantry
2. 60cm (24 inches) base cabinet with pull-outs
3. 60cm (24 inches) base cabinet with door and shelves
So, the number of cabinets is roughly the same – it feels like you have one more cabinet. You have more internal pull-outs – for us, one costs about €100.
The appliances have an online retail value (always the lowest price found online) of about €4,200.
For Nolte, a price of €10,800 was quoted, and for Häcker Systemat, €11,200.
Fronts are a mix of lacquer and laminate – the worktop is laminate.
I think your fronts are more expensive – I also assume that the Next 125 from Schüller is pricier.
It’s difficult to assess the price absolutely, but maybe this gives you a reference. If you want to spend the money and then enjoy the great kitchen, that’s perfectly fine. If you want to save money, switching manufacturers or choosing different fronts could be an option.
Hello,
Buying a kitchen and especially comparing kitchen prices really seems to be a topic on its own. After being confronted for the second time with completely unreliable pricing ("This kitchen (furniture only) costs 22,000 euros according to the list, with our XYZ discount it’s 15,000, then a 'something else' discount brings it down to 12,000, then the 'I really like you' discount to 10,000, and finally the 'we’ve known each other for only 60 minutes but you’re my best friend' discount to 8,500. What kind of nonsense is that? I love to negotiate and bargain, but I go to flea markets for that, not to furniture stores!") we have ruled out furniture stores and kitchen studios as reliable business partners. We are now going with an Ikea kitchen because at least there I can estimate the price and, above all, I can see how it is made up. And the kitchen costs the same on Monday as on Tuesday, as on Wednesday, etc.
You can only advise others to get comparison offers and ask for the planning documents. If they give you a hard time (which most of them will), you already know you don’t have a competitive price in front of you. Otherwise, they could just hand the documents over. And you should tell them exactly that. If a supplier behaves unprofessionally, they should not be surprised if customers get difficult.
As a benchmark, just for fun, you can calculate how much the furniture would cost at Ikea. Yes, those are not glass fronts and probably not comparable in quality to your 21,000-euro kitchen, but it gives you an idea of where a reasonably good quality kitchen might stand. You currently have 21,000 euros minus 6,000 euros for appliances minus 2,000 euros for installation, so about 13,000 euros for the furniture including the countertop but excluding installation.
Without doing exact calculations, I would roughly estimate about 4,000 to 6,000 euros for the Ikea furniture in your kitchen.
For the appliances, you can safely use the lowest internet prices (fairly including shipping). A large kitchen builder’s purchase prices will definitely be below the retail prices of appliance dealers. If they charge you more, there is still room for negotiation.
Best regards,
Andreas
Bau.Joe schrieb:
Hello,
We are currently planning the kitchen for our house project. We have chosen a Next125 kitchen. It is handleless with glass fronts. It consists of a kitchen block that is 4 m (13 ft) long. It includes a tall cabinet for the oven and one for the fridge-freezer combination. Additionally, there are two tall cabinets with pull-out shelves. There are also two base cabinets with drawers, each 80 cm (31.5 inches) wide. There are two wall cabinets and a shelf with a sliding door.
We have also planned an island that is 3.12 m (10 ft 3 inches) long and 1.20 m (3 ft 11 inches) wide. It houses the cooktop and the sink.
The total price for the kitchen, Siemens appliances, Falmec extractor hood, delivery, and installation is 21,000 euros. The appliance portion is 5,900 euros. What do you think of this price?
Buying a kitchen and especially comparing kitchen prices really seems to be a topic on its own. After being confronted for the second time with completely unreliable pricing ("This kitchen (furniture only) costs 22,000 euros according to the list, with our XYZ discount it’s 15,000, then a 'something else' discount brings it down to 12,000, then the 'I really like you' discount to 10,000, and finally the 'we’ve known each other for only 60 minutes but you’re my best friend' discount to 8,500. What kind of nonsense is that? I love to negotiate and bargain, but I go to flea markets for that, not to furniture stores!") we have ruled out furniture stores and kitchen studios as reliable business partners. We are now going with an Ikea kitchen because at least there I can estimate the price and, above all, I can see how it is made up. And the kitchen costs the same on Monday as on Tuesday, as on Wednesday, etc.
You can only advise others to get comparison offers and ask for the planning documents. If they give you a hard time (which most of them will), you already know you don’t have a competitive price in front of you. Otherwise, they could just hand the documents over. And you should tell them exactly that. If a supplier behaves unprofessionally, they should not be surprised if customers get difficult.
As a benchmark, just for fun, you can calculate how much the furniture would cost at Ikea. Yes, those are not glass fronts and probably not comparable in quality to your 21,000-euro kitchen, but it gives you an idea of where a reasonably good quality kitchen might stand. You currently have 21,000 euros minus 6,000 euros for appliances minus 2,000 euros for installation, so about 13,000 euros for the furniture including the countertop but excluding installation.
Without doing exact calculations, I would roughly estimate about 4,000 to 6,000 euros for the Ikea furniture in your kitchen.
For the appliances, you can safely use the lowest internet prices (fairly including shipping). A large kitchen builder’s purchase prices will definitely be below the retail prices of appliance dealers. If they charge you more, there is still room for negotiation.
Best regards,
Andreas
I agree with Andreas!
This is also how we approached it: an Ikea kitchen would cost us around €4000 (about $4400) for the cabinets, and the appliances would be about €4000 (about $4400) – so approximately €8000 (about $8800) without delivery and installation. To be fair, it probably gets a bit more expensive since the countertop needs to be cut to size, etc. – let's say a total of around €8500 (about $9400) including delivery.
Since multiple sources confirmed that installing the trim strips with Ikea kitchens isn’t straightforward and there are other tricky aspects during assembly, we decided to go to a kitchen studio. The first one was a bad joke, just like Andreas described... the same kitchen from Nobilia was quoted at €14,000 (about $15,500) – we didn’t even bother to negotiate much there.
After a 4-month break, we got brave again and visited a furniture store, and were quite positively surprised: they quoted €11,000 (about $12,200). After a lot of back and forth, swapping appliances, and mentioning we had another offer, we ended up at €10,800 (about $12,000) – no pressure, no exaggerated sales tactics (a little is normal, of course). At the kitchen studio, from the start, a realistic price of €11,200 (about $12,500) was mentioned (at least I believe so).
Once we asked if there was any room for negotiation, and then they offered €10,800 (about $12,000) – no idea if the salesperson is reading this somewhere where I’m writing; maybe just a coincidence.
Now the question is whether to choose Systemat for €10,800 (about $12,000) or Ikea for €8,500 (about $9,400), excluding installation. I think we will probably go with Systemat or try our luck elsewhere again?
It’s difficult... I guess at some point you just have to decide.
This is also how we approached it: an Ikea kitchen would cost us around €4000 (about $4400) for the cabinets, and the appliances would be about €4000 (about $4400) – so approximately €8000 (about $8800) without delivery and installation. To be fair, it probably gets a bit more expensive since the countertop needs to be cut to size, etc. – let's say a total of around €8500 (about $9400) including delivery.
Since multiple sources confirmed that installing the trim strips with Ikea kitchens isn’t straightforward and there are other tricky aspects during assembly, we decided to go to a kitchen studio. The first one was a bad joke, just like Andreas described... the same kitchen from Nobilia was quoted at €14,000 (about $15,500) – we didn’t even bother to negotiate much there.
After a 4-month break, we got brave again and visited a furniture store, and were quite positively surprised: they quoted €11,000 (about $12,200). After a lot of back and forth, swapping appliances, and mentioning we had another offer, we ended up at €10,800 (about $12,000) – no pressure, no exaggerated sales tactics (a little is normal, of course). At the kitchen studio, from the start, a realistic price of €11,200 (about $12,500) was mentioned (at least I believe so).
Once we asked if there was any room for negotiation, and then they offered €10,800 (about $12,000) – no idea if the salesperson is reading this somewhere where I’m writing; maybe just a coincidence.
Now the question is whether to choose Systemat for €10,800 (about $12,000) or Ikea for €8,500 (about $9,400), excluding installation. I think we will probably go with Systemat or try our luck elsewhere again?
It’s difficult... I guess at some point you just have to decide.
What is the RRP of next125 and the appliances?
A 30% discount should already be possible… with some luck, even a bit more. For our kitchen, which is also in the next125 range, the first salespeople dropped out at 30%. That seems to be where the pain threshold started. Apparently, they are not allowed to go any lower on discounts from the manufacturer’s side.
A 30% discount should already be possible… with some luck, even a bit more. For our kitchen, which is also in the next125 range, the first salespeople dropped out at 30%. That seems to be where the pain threshold started. Apparently, they are not allowed to go any lower on discounts from the manufacturer’s side.
EveundGerd2 Jan 2016 19:00In all of this, you shouldn’t forget that the seller usually spent a lot of time planning the kitchen. Therefore, I can understand why the plans aren’t simply handed over. You can still negotiate, of course. But there is a limit, since no one works for free! You want a fair wage too!
In my opinion, the price is fair. We had a quote without an island, but with four meters (13 feet) of tall cabinets with lacquered fronts. I checked the original offer again in my folder—the price was €19,000. Glass fronts are even more premium. And Schüller is in a different league than IKEA, Nobilia, or Nolte!
However, I would like to point out again that every fingerprint is visible on them. I still can’t touch the cabinets without leaving marks, unless I use a towel for it. ops:
In my opinion, the price is fair. We had a quote without an island, but with four meters (13 feet) of tall cabinets with lacquered fronts. I checked the original offer again in my folder—the price was €19,000. Glass fronts are even more premium. And Schüller is in a different league than IKEA, Nobilia, or Nolte!
However, I would like to point out again that every fingerprint is visible on them. I still can’t touch the cabinets without leaving marks, unless I use a towel for it. ops:
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