Hello,
We are currently planning a Next 125 kitchen for our house project. Our Next 125 kitchen is handleless with a glass front. It consists of a kitchen unit that is 4 m (13 feet) long. This includes a tall cabinet for the oven and one for the freezer-fridge combination. In addition, there are two tall cabinets with internal pull-outs. There are also two base cabinets with drawers, each 80 cm (31.5 inches) wide. Additionally, there are two wall cabinets and a shelf with a sliding door.
We have also planned an island that is 3.12 m (10.2 feet) long and 1.20 m (3.9 feet) wide. The cooktop and sink are installed on it.
The total cost for the kitchen, including Siemens appliances, a Falmec ventilation hood, delivery, and installation, is 21,000 euros. The appliance portion accounts for 5,900 euros. What do you think about this price?
We are currently planning a Next 125 kitchen for our house project. Our Next 125 kitchen is handleless with a glass front. It consists of a kitchen unit that is 4 m (13 feet) long. This includes a tall cabinet for the oven and one for the freezer-fridge combination. In addition, there are two tall cabinets with internal pull-outs. There are also two base cabinets with drawers, each 80 cm (31.5 inches) wide. Additionally, there are two wall cabinets and a shelf with a sliding door.
We have also planned an island that is 3.12 m (10.2 feet) long and 1.20 m (3.9 feet) wide. The cooktop and sink are installed on it.
The total cost for the kitchen, including Siemens appliances, a Falmec ventilation hood, delivery, and installation, is 21,000 euros. The appliance portion accounts for 5,900 euros. What do you think about this price?
Bau.Joe schrieb:
We definitely want to have a glass front. We compared several manufacturers for this. What we like about the Next 125 is that the glass doors are framed with aluminum, which makes them look more premium.
According to the list price, the kitchen (including appliances) costs around 35,000 Euros. After some negotiation rounds, we landed at 21,000 Euros. For a Häcker kitchen with a glass front, the last quote was 23,000 Euros (not fully negotiated yet). However, we are not as satisfied with the quality there. We also requested an offer for a Warendorf kitchen. The same setup with a glass front costs about 32,000 Euros (but the discounts are not included anymore). That’s about a 40% discount. In my opinion, that sounds good for a kitchen of this class.
Hi,
I can’t say anything about the kitchen cabinets, but regarding the Siemens appliances: I am also going to install all Siemens equipment, which has already been ordered at about 40-45% off the MSRPs. For example, the MSRP of the oven was around 1400 € (about 1500 USD), and I paid 600 € (about 640 USD). So it’s definitely possible to get much more than 30% off.
Best regards,
Andreas
merlin83 schrieb:
What is the MSRP of next125 and the appliances?
30% off should be possible.... with some luck, even a bit more. For our kitchen, which is also in the next125 range, the first salespeople dropped out at 30%. That seems to be where the pain threshold started. Apparently, they are not allowed to go lower than that from the manufacturer.
I can’t say anything about the kitchen cabinets, but regarding the Siemens appliances: I am also going to install all Siemens equipment, which has already been ordered at about 40-45% off the MSRPs. For example, the MSRP of the oven was around 1400 € (about 1500 USD), and I paid 600 € (about 640 USD). So it’s definitely possible to get much more than 30% off.
Best regards,
Andreas
andimann schrieb:
Hi,
I can’t comment on the kitchen cabinets, but I can say something about the Siemens appliances. I will be installing Siemens appliances throughout. They have already been ordered at about 40–45% off the recommended retail prices. For example, the oven’s recommended retail price was around €1400, and I actually paid €600. So it’s definitely possible to get much more than 30% off.
Best regards,
Andreas...this way everyone can contribute to transparency based on their individual offers. For us, the individual line items for the appliances were not shown, for example.Bau.Joe schrieb:
We definitely want a glass front. We compared several manufacturers for this. With Next 125, we like that the glass doors are framed with aluminum, which makes them look more premium.
The list price for the kitchen (including appliances) is about 35,000 euros. After several rounds of negotiation, we ended up at 21,000 euros. A Häcker kitchen with a glass front was recently quoted at 23,000 euros (not fully negotiated yet). However, we don’t like the quality as much there. We also received an offer for a Warendorf kitchen. For the same setup with a glass front, it costs around 32,000 euros (but the discounts have already been applied).And what exactly did you want to know? I don’t remember your question anymore...
I saw the next 125 kitchen with glass fronts in person today. I liked it as well, but in terms of the hinges, it doesn’t quite compare to Nolte’s, which feel more high-quality, especially on the wall cabinets. However, the sliding element on the 90cm (36 inches) cabinet that opens sideways was very well designed. Do you have a module like that? What I personally consider essential in this price range is a granite or quartz countertop.
Hi,
well, the first draft isn’t really such a big deal. Especially not when I, as the customer, have already specified what I want. It may be that my perspective is influenced by my job, but in the office we prepare offers that sometimes involve several person-months of work, have to hand over absolutely everything to the potential client, and then still don’t get the contract. Six-figure amounts get written off just like that...
Of course, it stings when you realize the customer took my layout to a competitor and is having their system built by them. But that’s life. If you can’t handle that, you’re in the wrong line of work...
I therefore consider it an absolute prerequisite for a business relationship that the supplier (kitchen fitter) provides me with their designs. I don’t need detailed or construction drawings of their furniture or technical details like hinges, but I do need a visual plan showing the layout and a rough price breakdown. There’s nothing secret about whether there’s a 60 cm (24 inch) or 80 cm (31 inch) cabinet in the corner, or the stove is on the right or left. We’re talking about kitchens, not rocket science...!
Would you buy a car without a quote or at least drawings/pictures? Would you award trades like electrical work, plumbing, or roofing without a written offer? So why should I order a kitchen without being able to calmly compare offers in advance?
And the kitchen fitters themselves regularly prove they seem to have no limits. When someone advertises discounts of 30-50-70% and in negotiations drops from €21,000 to €8,000, they shouldn’t be surprised that their calculations (which they also refuse to share!) are seen as not very credible, and customers start haggling fiercely. What else can a customer do?
But something else about the fronts: are your “fingerprint problems” related to glass fronts or high-gloss lacquer? Because it has been mentioned several times that with high-gloss lacquer or foil, this shouldn’t be such a big issue, and this seemed to be true for showroom kitchens as well as Ikea. Real fingerprints didn’t really remain.
Best regards,
Andreas
well, the first draft isn’t really such a big deal. Especially not when I, as the customer, have already specified what I want. It may be that my perspective is influenced by my job, but in the office we prepare offers that sometimes involve several person-months of work, have to hand over absolutely everything to the potential client, and then still don’t get the contract. Six-figure amounts get written off just like that...
Of course, it stings when you realize the customer took my layout to a competitor and is having their system built by them. But that’s life. If you can’t handle that, you’re in the wrong line of work...
EveundGerd schrieb:
Bei all dem dürft Ihr aber auch nicht vergessen, dass sich der Verkäufer in der Regel sehr viel Zeit genommen hat um die Küche zu planen. Daher kann ich verstehen, dass die Pläne nicht einfach herausgegeben werden. Feilschen kann man ja dennoch. Die Grenze ist aber irgendwann eben auch erreicht, da niemand umsonst arbeitet! Ihr wollt ja auch einen gerechten Lohn! Ich gebe aber nochmals zu Bedenken, dass man jeden Fingerabdruck darauf sieht. Ich habe es immer noch nicht darauf, die Schränke so anzufassen, dass man nichts sieht, es sei denn ich nutze ein Handtuch dafür. ops:
I therefore consider it an absolute prerequisite for a business relationship that the supplier (kitchen fitter) provides me with their designs. I don’t need detailed or construction drawings of their furniture or technical details like hinges, but I do need a visual plan showing the layout and a rough price breakdown. There’s nothing secret about whether there’s a 60 cm (24 inch) or 80 cm (31 inch) cabinet in the corner, or the stove is on the right or left. We’re talking about kitchens, not rocket science...!
Would you buy a car without a quote or at least drawings/pictures? Would you award trades like electrical work, plumbing, or roofing without a written offer? So why should I order a kitchen without being able to calmly compare offers in advance?
And the kitchen fitters themselves regularly prove they seem to have no limits. When someone advertises discounts of 30-50-70% and in negotiations drops from €21,000 to €8,000, they shouldn’t be surprised that their calculations (which they also refuse to share!) are seen as not very credible, and customers start haggling fiercely. What else can a customer do?
But something else about the fronts: are your “fingerprint problems” related to glass fronts or high-gloss lacquer? Because it has been mentioned several times that with high-gloss lacquer or foil, this shouldn’t be such a big issue, and this seemed to be true for showroom kitchens as well as Ikea. Real fingerprints didn’t really remain.
Best regards,
Andreas
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