ᐅ We are planning to build in 2022; the planning phase is beginning.
Created on: 6 Jun 2020 09:33
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Ybias78
Before I share the completed data, here are some details about our building project. We are still quite early in the process. About 2.5 years ago, we purchased a plot of land that we are currently paying off. The plot is located within the developed area of Fichtenwalde (about 50km (31 miles) south of Berlin) and is currently classified as forest. There are about 80 trees on the land. Converting it into a building plot is not a problem. However, there is a tree protection regulation, which means all trees must be replaced. The cost of felling the trees, including replanting and a financial deposit (in case the replacement trees do not survive), is around €20,000 (based on feedback from our neighbors who built last year).
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
Here is the plot:

Information about us:
General information about you:
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
Other expenses:
General information about the property:
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
- Consult an architect and plan the house by August.
- Submit the building permit / planning permission application in October.
- Tree felling can take place by the end of February.
- In 2021, we will look for a (most likely) regional company to build the house (recommendations welcome).
- From June 2020 to December 2021, the saved money will be spent on:
- Architect fees, tree removal, paying off the land including a €2,750 special repayment. A new car for my wife (approx. €10,000) will also be purchased.
- Cheaper items should also be covered, such as surveying, soil report, etc.
Here is the plot:
Information about us:
General information about you:
- Who are you?
- A family of three.
- How old are you?
- She is 38, he is 41, daughter: 8.
- Do you have children?
- Yes, a girl.
- Are more children planned?
- No others planned.
- What do you do professionally?
- She is a full-time teacher. He is a controlling manager for several hospitals (full-time).
- Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.?
- Both employed.
- How many hours do you work?
- She works full-time with 27 teaching hours plus preparation and follow-up time. He works 40 hours.
- What are your gross/net incomes?
- She: €2,820. He: €3,000 (tax class IV/IV). This includes about €400 in company pension contributions. Additionally, there are annual bonuses of about €3,000 (not included in net income).
- How much child benefit do you receive?
- €204.
- Other transfer payments like parental allowance, sick pay, etc.?
- None.
- How much equity do you have?
- Currently negligible (under €10,000).
- How much of that equity do you want to invest in the house project?
- All of it.
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
- Current basic rent (cold rent)
- €390
- Current total rent (warm rent)
- €567
- Electricity
- €72
- Gas
- None.
- Water, sewage, waste disposal, street cleaning
- Included in additional costs.
- Telephone, internet, mobile phone
- €85 (including Amazon Prime and Netflix)
- Public transport monthly pass (also for children)
- None.
- Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
- Currently none.
- Insurance
- €100 per month (one fully comprehensive, one partially comprehensive).
- Taxes
- €34
- Fuel
- €200
- Repairs
- €140
- Other
- Is there a second car, motorcycle, scooter? Please specify all costs again!
- Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance, etc.)
- Dental supplementary insurance: €37
- Liability insurance (including pets)
- €7
- Capital or term life insurance
- None
- Pension insurance (including company pension plans)
- Company pension contributions (already included in net income).
- Disability insurance
- None
- Accident insurance
- None
- Household contents insurance
- €7
- Legal expenses insurance
- €20
- Other insurance (e.g., travel insurance, funeral insurance)
- Groceries
- Difficult to plan.
- Dining out
- Personal care/drugstore
- Pets (food, vet, medication, housing)
- Medication
- Clothing
- Furniture
- Childcare/school fees (including meals)
- After-school care €190 including meals
- Tutoring
- School supplies and books
- Club fees/gym
- Student association: €20
- Gym: €25
- Daughter’s music school: €66
- Babysitter
- Toys
- Cleaning
- TV/video/audio/CDs/DVDs
- Tickets (sports, cinema, concerts, etc.)
- Donations
- Student association: €15
- Other
- Vacation
- House
- Retirement
- Hobbies/gifts
- Other
- Total: €2,250
Other expenses:
- Alimony?
- Loans?
- €250 for the land.
- Other?
- Anything forgotten? Please add here!
- Total income: €6,024
- Total expenses: €3,769
- Balance: €2,255 (saved).
- Including cold rent and optional savings (e.g., savings rate for the house).
General information about the property:
- How large is the plot?
- 1,447 sqm (15,575 sq ft)
- What are its dimensions?
- 20 m (66 ft) road frontage x 72 m (236 ft)
- What is the land value?
- €120 per sqm
- New build, renovation / year built, house type?
- New build – L-shaped bungalow (we are still very early in planning)
- Garages?
- Depends on the budget.
- How big should the house be? (living area / usable area)
- About 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft)
- What is the market value of the land and house after completion?
- Land approx. €200,000 + house €350,000 = €550,000
- Land cost:
- Current outstanding debt €42,000
- Development costs
- Plot is fully developed.
- Acquisition incidental costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, realtor)
- Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer):
- €300,000 budgeted.
- Renovation or restoration costs
- Additional building costs (e.g., utility connections, soil expert, construction electricity, etc.)
- Planned: €50,000
- Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, landscaping, fences, etc.
- Depends on the total costs.
- Financing costs (fees or commitment interest)
- Total costs
- Remaining debt on the land + new build: Planned financing amount: €400,000
- Kitchen costs
- €10,000
- Furniture, lamps, decoration
- Mostly furniture will be kept and replaced gradually.
- Other "non-acquisition, incidental acquisition, construction, or additional building costs"
- Total costs:
- €400,000
- Deductible equity
- €0 (will be used for clearing the plot; €25,000).
- Financing amount
- €400,000
Ybias78 schrieb:
Here is the combination of both designs.Last night I wanted to write "forget this nonsense," but now I actually like the result. However, the suggestion from @DaSch17 in post #293 might be a case of “the better is the enemy of the good,” because the nominal ratio of hallway square meters to living room square meters was also a point of criticism for me—although I couldn’t come up with a constructive alternative. The fact that the counterproposal comes from @DaSch17 is inconvenient for me, because my sentence would ideally have continued with “now just get rid of the stupid fireplace and it will be a nice house.” By the way, where is the attic hatch supposed to go?
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Oh, and one more thing about the shower toilet:
I would also recommend it. If you have a dog (or might have one in the future), you won’t have to walk through the entire house to rinse them off after they’ve rolled in cow dung.
Besides, your daughter will probably have a boyfriend at some point. Sharing the main bathroom between four people in the morning can get quite frustrating. There’s enough space for it, and an additional shower doesn’t cost much compared to the benefit.
Just discuss it calmly once more.
I would also recommend it. If you have a dog (or might have one in the future), you won’t have to walk through the entire house to rinse them off after they’ve rolled in cow dung.
Besides, your daughter will probably have a boyfriend at some point. Sharing the main bathroom between four people in the morning can get quite frustrating. There’s enough space for it, and an additional shower doesn’t cost much compared to the benefit.
Just discuss it calmly once more.
Ybias78 schrieb:
That people/daughter will walk from the terrace through our walk-in closet to the bathroom. We don’t want the walk-in closet to be a passage room. Then people/daughter will just go directly from the bedroom to the bathroom. That’s even more convenient for them.
Ybias78 schrieb:
You’re partly right. But we decided to first see what we miss in the apartment and then implement it in the house. A second shower was never on the list. Why don’t you fill out the questionnaire so we can see what you want and what’s important to you? Information about the lot, orientation, etc., would also be helpful.
Surely your wish list doesn’t include having a hallway almost as big as the living area? The design has a lot of potential, but to move or even remove walls, some details are necessary. As you can see, the balcony and child 2 can already be quite confusing.
Ybias78 schrieb:
You are partly right. We have decided to first see what we miss in the apartment and then implement it in the house. A second shower was never on the list.Of course, housemates or guests who don’t exist yet won’t add a shower to the wish list either.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Without knowing more details, keep your exterior dimensions the same and make some interior changes.
Regarding the "people/daughter," I switched the rooms. The dark rectangles represent built-in closets. The pantry and dressing room are quite small but still accommodate enough cabinets or shelves. I don’t have exact measurements. The numbers are approximate square meters, considering that the interior walls are only 10cm (4 inches) thick. Use this as a rough sketch.
Maybe you’ll like some of the ideas...

Regarding the "people/daughter," I switched the rooms. The dark rectangles represent built-in closets. The pantry and dressing room are quite small but still accommodate enough cabinets or shelves. I don’t have exact measurements. The numbers are approximate square meters, considering that the interior walls are only 10cm (4 inches) thick. Use this as a rough sketch.
Maybe you’ll like some of the ideas...
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