ᐅ We are planning to build in 2022; the planning phase is beginning.
Created on: 6 Jun 2020 09:33
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Ybias78
Before I share the completed data, here are some details about our building project. We are still quite early in the process. About 2.5 years ago, we purchased a plot of land that we are currently paying off. The plot is located within the developed area of Fichtenwalde (about 50km (31 miles) south of Berlin) and is currently classified as forest. There are about 80 trees on the land. Converting it into a building plot is not a problem. However, there is a tree protection regulation, which means all trees must be replaced. The cost of felling the trees, including replanting and a financial deposit (in case the replacement trees do not survive), is around €20,000 (based on feedback from our neighbors who built last year).
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
Here is the plot:

Information about us:
General information about you:
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
Other expenses:
General information about the property:
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
- Consult an architect and plan the house by August.
- Submit the building permit / planning permission application in October.
- Tree felling can take place by the end of February.
- In 2021, we will look for a (most likely) regional company to build the house (recommendations welcome).
- From June 2020 to December 2021, the saved money will be spent on:
- Architect fees, tree removal, paying off the land including a €2,750 special repayment. A new car for my wife (approx. €10,000) will also be purchased.
- Cheaper items should also be covered, such as surveying, soil report, etc.
Here is the plot:
Information about us:
General information about you:
- Who are you?
- A family of three.
- How old are you?
- She is 38, he is 41, daughter: 8.
- Do you have children?
- Yes, a girl.
- Are more children planned?
- No others planned.
- What do you do professionally?
- She is a full-time teacher. He is a controlling manager for several hospitals (full-time).
- Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.?
- Both employed.
- How many hours do you work?
- She works full-time with 27 teaching hours plus preparation and follow-up time. He works 40 hours.
- What are your gross/net incomes?
- She: €2,820. He: €3,000 (tax class IV/IV). This includes about €400 in company pension contributions. Additionally, there are annual bonuses of about €3,000 (not included in net income).
- How much child benefit do you receive?
- €204.
- Other transfer payments like parental allowance, sick pay, etc.?
- None.
- How much equity do you have?
- Currently negligible (under €10,000).
- How much of that equity do you want to invest in the house project?
- All of it.
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
- Current basic rent (cold rent)
- €390
- Current total rent (warm rent)
- €567
- Electricity
- €72
- Gas
- None.
- Water, sewage, waste disposal, street cleaning
- Included in additional costs.
- Telephone, internet, mobile phone
- €85 (including Amazon Prime and Netflix)
- Public transport monthly pass (also for children)
- None.
- Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
- Currently none.
- Insurance
- €100 per month (one fully comprehensive, one partially comprehensive).
- Taxes
- €34
- Fuel
- €200
- Repairs
- €140
- Other
- Is there a second car, motorcycle, scooter? Please specify all costs again!
- Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance, etc.)
- Dental supplementary insurance: €37
- Liability insurance (including pets)
- €7
- Capital or term life insurance
- None
- Pension insurance (including company pension plans)
- Company pension contributions (already included in net income).
- Disability insurance
- None
- Accident insurance
- None
- Household contents insurance
- €7
- Legal expenses insurance
- €20
- Other insurance (e.g., travel insurance, funeral insurance)
- Groceries
- Difficult to plan.
- Dining out
- Personal care/drugstore
- Pets (food, vet, medication, housing)
- Medication
- Clothing
- Furniture
- Childcare/school fees (including meals)
- After-school care €190 including meals
- Tutoring
- School supplies and books
- Club fees/gym
- Student association: €20
- Gym: €25
- Daughter’s music school: €66
- Babysitter
- Toys
- Cleaning
- TV/video/audio/CDs/DVDs
- Tickets (sports, cinema, concerts, etc.)
- Donations
- Student association: €15
- Other
- Vacation
- House
- Retirement
- Hobbies/gifts
- Other
- Total: €2,250
Other expenses:
- Alimony?
- Loans?
- €250 for the land.
- Other?
- Anything forgotten? Please add here!
- Total income: €6,024
- Total expenses: €3,769
- Balance: €2,255 (saved).
- Including cold rent and optional savings (e.g., savings rate for the house).
General information about the property:
- How large is the plot?
- 1,447 sqm (15,575 sq ft)
- What are its dimensions?
- 20 m (66 ft) road frontage x 72 m (236 ft)
- What is the land value?
- €120 per sqm
- New build, renovation / year built, house type?
- New build – L-shaped bungalow (we are still very early in planning)
- Garages?
- Depends on the budget.
- How big should the house be? (living area / usable area)
- About 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft)
- What is the market value of the land and house after completion?
- Land approx. €200,000 + house €350,000 = €550,000
- Land cost:
- Current outstanding debt €42,000
- Development costs
- Plot is fully developed.
- Acquisition incidental costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, realtor)
- Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer):
- €300,000 budgeted.
- Renovation or restoration costs
- Additional building costs (e.g., utility connections, soil expert, construction electricity, etc.)
- Planned: €50,000
- Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, landscaping, fences, etc.
- Depends on the total costs.
- Financing costs (fees or commitment interest)
- Total costs
- Remaining debt on the land + new build: Planned financing amount: €400,000
- Kitchen costs
- €10,000
- Furniture, lamps, decoration
- Mostly furniture will be kept and replaced gradually.
- Other "non-acquisition, incidental acquisition, construction, or additional building costs"
- Total costs:
- €400,000
- Deductible equity
- €0 (will be used for clearing the plot; €25,000).
- Financing amount
- €400,000
ypg schrieb:
Without knowing the details, keep your exterior dimensions the same, change the interior slightly.
Regarding "people/daughter," I swapped the rooms around. The dark rectangles represent built-in closets. The pantry and dressing room are quite small but provide enough space for cabinets or shelves. I don’t have exact measurements. The numbers are approximate square meters, considering that the interior walls are only 10cm (4 inches) thick. Take it as a rough sketch.
Maybe you’ll like one or another idea...
[ATTACH alt="Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-28 um 19.07.28.png"]51776[/ATTACH] Thanks for your effort. I will complete the info sheet later today. Here are our changes to the existing design.
1. One side panel of the door is removed → kitchen/living room becomes wider
2. Corners below the dressing room are removed.
3. The corner at child 2’s room remains, as a built-in closet will go there. The right wall there should be shortened.
4. The fireplace will be moved downwards.
I think the children’s/bedroom/bathroom and dressing areas are now really quite good.
However, I still don’t like this U-/T-shaped wall. But it seems you are attached to it, so that’s fine.
The living and kitchen area still feels very narrow and elongated. Also, in my opinion, the window arrangement doesn’t work. I would definitely include a window above the long kitchen counter. Furthermore, the placement of the sofa is very unfortunate. It partially blocks the nice view of the terrace and garden and gives the impression that the sofa was squeezed into the corner because there is no other space for it (which, unfortunately, is true). In the end, it will be very difficult to furnish the “narrow living space” in a practical way.
However, I still don’t like this U-/T-shaped wall. But it seems you are attached to it, so that’s fine.
The living and kitchen area still feels very narrow and elongated. Also, in my opinion, the window arrangement doesn’t work. I would definitely include a window above the long kitchen counter. Furthermore, the placement of the sofa is very unfortunate. It partially blocks the nice view of the terrace and garden and gives the impression that the sofa was squeezed into the corner because there is no other space for it (which, unfortunately, is true). In the end, it will be very difficult to furnish the “narrow living space” in a practical way.
DaSch17 schrieb:
I think the children's/sleeping/bathroom and dressing areas are really quite good now.
However, I still don’t like this U-/T-shaped wall. But since you seem attached to it, it’s okay.
The living and kitchen area still feels very narrow and elongated. Also, in my opinion, the window arrangement doesn’t fit. I would definitely add a window above the long kitchen counter. In addition, the placement of the sofa is very unfortunate. This way, the beautiful view of the terrace and garden is partly blocked by the sofa, and it gives the impression that the sofa was jammed into the corner because otherwise there’s no room for it (which unfortunately is true). Ultimately, it will be very difficult to furnish this "narrow living space" effectively. We will discuss the points you mentioned again with the architect during detailed planning. A built-in closet will be integrated into the U-/T-shaped wall. The window locations will also be considered. Thank you very much for the suggestion about the hallway.
Ybias78 schrieb:
Here is the modification.Now move the fixed panel of the front door to the other side.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
You should definitely plan a practical kitchen... as an L-shape, without the corner, you get about 650 cm (256 inches) of kitchen countertop space and a large open area in the middle.
For the front door, I would either change the door swing or move the sidelight to the right side according to the plan.
I still think around 3 meters (10 feet) of usable cabinet space is too little for a master area of almost 20 square meters (215 square feet).
For the front door, I would either change the door swing or move the sidelight to the right side according to the plan.
I still think around 3 meters (10 feet) of usable cabinet space is too little for a master area of almost 20 square meters (215 square feet).
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