ᐅ Lighting design on the ground floor – Are there any planning guides or resources available?

Created on: 18 Oct 2018 09:19
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HausbauTiNa
Hello everyone,

Our builder needs information for structural reasons about where we want ceiling lights and possibly spotlights in each room.

Even though we are somewhat familiar with the subject, we are having trouble with this. How did you approach it? Is there a good planning tool or guide? Unfortunately, there is hardly anything on this topic in the search function.
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Otus11
18 Oct 2018 14:20
I would also plan several cables for wall lamps for indirect lighting.

Recessed spotlights remind me of the 1990s, when halogen was new and still up to date.

Furthermore, determine which lights should be dimmable (DALI control often requires 5-core cables).

Also, don’t forget ample power supply for outdoor use (on a separate circuit), as well as separate house number lighting next to the entrance light.
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HausbauTiNa
18 Oct 2018 15:11
The frustrating thing is that I’m an electrical engineer and covered all of this during my studies… but when do you really apply lighting design in practice?

We will consider the typical ceiling outlets. In everyday life, we usually have indirect lighting on, except when vacuuming or similar tasks.

That means we will use floor lamps as well as wall lamps.

In the attachment, we have marked the points (in red) for the ceiling outlets. Do you have any comments on that?

We also find surface-mounted LED spotlights/downlights quite appealing.

What are your thoughts on this?

Detaillierter Hausgrundriss mit Schlafzimmern, Bad, Flur und Treppenhaus


2D-Grundriss eines Hauses mit Wohnzimmer, Küche, Flur und Treppenhaus


Modernes Schlafzimmer mit Bett, Nachttisch, dunklen Wandpaneelen und dezenter Deckenbeleuchtung.
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Mottenhausen
18 Oct 2018 15:16
Are you serious? That’s far too few—only one vent per room? Five in the bathroom, five in the downstairs hallway, four in the kitchen, and so on.
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Aliban2014
18 Oct 2018 15:41
Mottenhausen schrieb:
Are you serious? One outlet per room is far too few—five in the bathroom, five in the hallway downstairs, four in the kitchen, and so on.

It depends, since she wants a lot of indirect lighting, which is quite reasonable in my opinion, so it could actually work. In the planning phase, you only see the direct lighting.

Ippebson schrieb:
We faced the same many questions.
At first, I also calculated using the common online formula, but in the end, contrary to the calculation (60 degrees beam angle), I installed LED spots (230 volts, about 3.5cm (1.4 inches) flat) with a 110-degree beam angle that are dimmable. In my opinion, the difference between 40 degrees and 110 degrees beam angle is quite significant.
I also ordered several spots as samples and chose the best ones. It’s not only the beam angle that matters here but also the color temperature (Kelvin) and personal comfort.
Otherwise, I recommend arranging the spots visually pleasing (symmetrically, with consistent spacing).
Then nothing should go wrong.
Good luck

Thanks for the info, so at least we probably aren’t going wrong with the beam angle.

Do you remember how many lumens you used per square meter per room or how many lumens the spots have? Would 200 lumens / sqm be enough for a hallway, for example, or would that be too “dark”?

Otus11 schrieb:
I would also plan some cables for wall lights for indirect lighting.

Spots remind me of the 90s when halogen was new and still up to date.

Also decide early on which luminaires should be dimmable (DALI control often requires 5-core cables).

Don’t forget plenty of power for outdoor use (separately fused) and a separate house number illumination next to the entrance light.

Tastes vary so much, I find nicely and symmetrically placed spots quite timeless.

Dimmability and outdoor power are good points to consider early on.
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HausbauTiNa
18 Oct 2018 16:00
Mottenhausen schrieb:
Are you serious? That’s way too few, just one ceiling outlet per room? Five in the bathroom, five in the hall downstairs, four in the kitchen, and so on.

The ceiling outlets refer to traditional light fixtures.
If using downlights, obviously more should be installed.

How much did you have to pay per additional ceiling outlet?
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pffreestyler
18 Oct 2018 17:56
60 € plus VAT. 1 switch
95 € plus VAT. 2 switches

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