ᐅ Lighting for Semi-Detached Houses – DALI & DMX or REG-LED Controller?
Created on: 27 Jan 2018 21:07
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Matt YaoHello everyone,
We are building a semi-detached house in Lower Bavaria this year. Currently, we are working on the lighting design, which we want to implement partly with KNX. However, we are still unsure which system to choose (DALI & DMX or REG-LED controller).
We have created an initial draft and would like to hear/read your opinions...
What could be improved here? Which system would you recommend for the lighting? The spotlights in the kitchen and bathroom are Dim2Warm, and for the rest, we would like to use LED RGBW(W).
We look forward to your suggestions for improvement.
Best regards
We are building a semi-detached house in Lower Bavaria this year. Currently, we are working on the lighting design, which we want to implement partly with KNX. However, we are still unsure which system to choose (DALI & DMX or REG-LED controller).
We have created an initial draft and would like to hear/read your opinions...
What could be improved here? Which system would you recommend for the lighting? The spotlights in the kitchen and bathroom are Dim2Warm, and for the rest, we would like to use LED RGBW(W).
We look forward to your suggestions for improvement.
Best regards
Matt Yao schrieb:
Hello everyone,
this year we are building a semi-detached house in Lower Bavaria. Currently, we are working on the lighting design, which we want to implement partly using KNX. We are still unsure about which system to choose (DALI & DMX or REG-LED controller).
We have created a first draft and would like to hear/read your opinions…
What could be optimized here? Which system would you prefer for the lighting? The spots in the kitchen and bathroom are Dim2Warm; otherwise, we would like to use LED RGBW(W).
We look forward to your suggestions for improvement.
Best regards
Just a quick note: If you’re installing a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery and have ceiling outlets, be sure to include them in the plans. Also mark the smoke detectors. Check the distance to the lighting fixtures as well. These devices work based on temperature differences—keyword false alarms.
Why exactly doesn’t the guest bathroom get a presence detector (PD)?
About the presence detectors themselves: they usually work better with tangential movements (walking past) than with radial movements (walking directly towards them). Also, I’d already start thinking about which PDs you want to install, mainly because of the detection area (presence detection is often less sensitive than motion detection). This could be an issue in the living room. Due to tangential vs. radial detection, you might want to position the PD in the upper floor hallway on the opposite side.
In the master bathroom, I would move the PD more towards the bathtub, so you don’t end up sitting in the dark while bathing. The shower will probably have a glass door—in that case, your PD won’t detect movement inside the shower anyway, unless you use high-frequency PDs.
Otherwise, I see a huge number of recessed spotlights—if you have concrete ceilings and don’t install a suspended ceiling, this could become a cost factor. Have you considered hiring a lighting designer? I’m worried there might be too much light in the rooms. It’s better to have well-positioned, focused lighting to create atmosphere rather than stadium-like floodlighting from countless recessed spots (I’m not a big fan of recessed spots either—it somehow feels too... I don’t know... mainstream?! [emoji6])
Oh, and I’d skip the ceiling speakers. They were trendy back in the ’80s. Nowadays, with LAN/Wi-Fi everywhere at home, in my humble opinion, systems like Teufel, Bose, or SONOS are more flexible (and probably more cost-effective). They can also be integrated into your KNX system.
I can imagine your structural engineer will be thrilled with what looks like Swiss cheese in the floor slabs: recessed spots, PD boxes, smoke detectors, speakers, possibly supply/exhaust vents... [emoji6]
Why exactly doesn’t the guest bathroom get a presence detector (PD)?
About the presence detectors themselves: they usually work better with tangential movements (walking past) than with radial movements (walking directly towards them). Also, I’d already start thinking about which PDs you want to install, mainly because of the detection area (presence detection is often less sensitive than motion detection). This could be an issue in the living room. Due to tangential vs. radial detection, you might want to position the PD in the upper floor hallway on the opposite side.
In the master bathroom, I would move the PD more towards the bathtub, so you don’t end up sitting in the dark while bathing. The shower will probably have a glass door—in that case, your PD won’t detect movement inside the shower anyway, unless you use high-frequency PDs.
Otherwise, I see a huge number of recessed spotlights—if you have concrete ceilings and don’t install a suspended ceiling, this could become a cost factor. Have you considered hiring a lighting designer? I’m worried there might be too much light in the rooms. It’s better to have well-positioned, focused lighting to create atmosphere rather than stadium-like floodlighting from countless recessed spots (I’m not a big fan of recessed spots either—it somehow feels too... I don’t know... mainstream?! [emoji6])
Oh, and I’d skip the ceiling speakers. They were trendy back in the ’80s. Nowadays, with LAN/Wi-Fi everywhere at home, in my humble opinion, systems like Teufel, Bose, or SONOS are more flexible (and probably more cost-effective). They can also be integrated into your KNX system.
I can imagine your structural engineer will be thrilled with what looks like Swiss cheese in the floor slabs: recessed spots, PD boxes, smoke detectors, speakers, possibly supply/exhaust vents... [emoji6]
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Dimmer or not... what are you planning to do with this hallway?? That’s actually stadium lighting! Consider installing a large glass panel in the front door instead, so the municipality might save on street lighting in that area.
Overall, this is completely oversized and—in my opinion—not suitable for a single-family home. Have you seen such a fixture in person? First, think about how you want the rooms to feel later on.
The keyword light planning was already mentioned by ruppsn. If you don’t want to hire a professional, you can also find some good resources online about how to plan lighting inside and outside your home—just try searching for it.
Dimmer or not... what are you planning to do with this hallway?? That’s actually stadium lighting! Consider installing a large glass panel in the front door instead, so the municipality might save on street lighting in that area.
Overall, this is completely oversized and—in my opinion—not suitable for a single-family home. Have you seen such a fixture in person? First, think about how you want the rooms to feel later on.
The keyword light planning was already mentioned by ruppsn. If you don’t want to hire a professional, you can also find some good resources online about how to plan lighting inside and outside your home—just try searching for it.
Are ceiling outlets marked in green? And what does the cross [emoji777] represent?
For example, one outlet is enough in the utility room, the ones in the hallway and kitchen don’t make sense to me.
I also don’t understand the ones in the upstairs hallway. Well, that might be due to the KNX system... but this is about lighting setup, not controls.
Guest WC: with that size, the mirror lighting is sufficient.
Wall lighting wasn’t considered at all, including those colored strips in the living room?
For example, one outlet is enough in the utility room, the ones in the hallway and kitchen don’t make sense to me.
I also don’t understand the ones in the upstairs hallway. Well, that might be due to the KNX system... but this is about lighting setup, not controls.
Guest WC: with that size, the mirror lighting is sufficient.
Wall lighting wasn’t considered at all, including those colored strips in the living room?