ᐅ Large single-family house with 4 children’s bedrooms – adaptable into 2 separate living units

Created on: 5 Oct 2025 01:30
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Marcus.
Hello everyone,

we are planning a larger house to eventually accommodate four children, with the option for grandparents to move in later. Since the space requirement won’t be this high permanently, the house should be divisible into two separate living units – for example, for subletting, for an adult child with family (as we ourselves grew up), or for flexible use and better resale value. My parents live on the neighboring property to the north; we are trying to respect that (they want to stay there but are still independent).

I welcome honest, well-reasoned feedback – the more detailed, the better.

Plot and framework conditions
  • Location: infill development, no formal building plan → orientation based on heterogeneous surrounding buildings
  • Plot size: approx. 740 m² (about 8,000 sq ft), slightly elevated (approx. 1 m (3 ft)) compared to the street, then level
  • Site coverage ratio: 0.4
  • Floor area ratio: not specified, 2 full stories typical in the area
  • Setbacks: 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors, up to 6 m (20 ft) at property boundary possible
  • Edge development: only carports allowed
  • Parking spaces: 2 required (driveway counts as second space)
  • Roof type: pitched roof 23°, allowed range 20–45°
  • Neighboring houses: height 7.8–9.2 m (26–30 ft) → planned building 8.81 m (29 ft)
  • Orientation: street to the east, entrance planned to the north

Client requirements
  • Style: efficient rectangular volume with pitched roof, flexible in appearance
  • Basement: no (too many rooms that don't fit well in a basement)
  • Stories: 2 plus attic for storage
  • Residents: currently 2 adults, 2 children → eventually 4 children plus possibly grandparents
  • Space needs: 4 children's bedrooms, 1 home office, 1 guest/grandparents’ room, kitchen, living area, utility/technical room, sufficient storage
  • Kitchen: open plan with island, seating for 6–8
  • Fireplace: no
  • Balcony/terrace: no upper terrace, focus on garden
  • Garage/carport: carport
  • Kitchen garden: present but not a priority
  • Size: preferably under 200 m² (approx. 2,150 sq ft) living space (tax benefits, lower running costs)
  • Goal: position house as far south as possible so parents’ house to the south still gets sunlight

Design status
  • Planning: done by independent planner for a fixed price → to serve as a basis for builder offers
  • Current status: mostly final, last optimization round planned

What we like
  • Room layout meets all requirements
  • Utility room right next to bathroom (laundry without stairs)
  • Large, bright open kitchen with plenty of storage
  • Attic compensates for no basement
  • Good size children’s bedrooms
  • Overall efficient floor plan

What is still not ideal
  • Hallway width (1.25 m (4 ft)) is rather tight
  • Minor compromises in furnishing, but overall satisfied

Budget
  • Planner’s estimate: 550–600 thousand euros (outdated)
  • Our expectation: about 650 thousand euros
  • Upper limit: 700–750 thousand euros
  • Heating system: heat pump with underfloor heating

Priorities
  • Essential: 4 children’s bedrooms
  • Dispensable: some space or number of windows if necessary

Design development
We planned ourselves for a long time before hiring a professional planner. The process was an iterative one with back and forth optimization.

Furnishing
The living room still needs a large sofa and a TV on a shelf. The large wardrobes in the rooms probably won’t be that long; instead, desks will go there, for example. The bed likely won’t be in the home office. The kitchen island contains the stove and sink with a worktop between, and storage areas at the edge.

Special features
If the wall between the two western children’s bedrooms is removed, a full 4-room apartment is created on the upper floor (open kitchen/living area + three rooms + 2 bathrooms). The division would then be, for example, along the red lines shown. This greatly increases flexibility – for a granny flat, rental, or grown-up children later on. Even in the worst case (sale), the floor plan remains value-stable and versatile. Overall, the house feels like a very efficient realization of a large program of space – but we are open to any well-founded criticism or improvement ideas.

Specific questions:
  • Floor-to-ceiling window in the bedroom or not (possibly desk space)?
  • Is the small window in the upper hallway sufficient?
  • Would an additional south-facing window for the children’s bedrooms on the south side be useful?
  • The house is positioned quite close to the southern boundary – is that reasonable from your perspective (considering parents’ house to the south)?
  • Utility room directly adjacent to the bathroom with prepared connections for a washing machine enabling possible separation of living units – practical like this?
  • Should the wall between living room and kitchen be optionally designed as non-load-bearing? Likely costs around 5,000 euros more.

We look forward to comments on:
  • Room layout
  • Lighting/orientation
  • Proportions/furnishability/daily usability
  • Rental potential and value development
  • Anything else you find relevant

Thanks for your input!

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Detailed floor plan of a residential house with kitchen, living room, bathroom and bedroom


2D floor plan of the upper floor with hallway, bedrooms, bathroom and stairs


Attic floor plan with stairwell and generous usable space


Section drawing of a house with roof construction, stairs and dimension lines


Exterior view of a two-story house with roof, windows and PV area, bicycle in front

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Front view of a modern two-story house with car and trees
K a t j a8 Oct 2025 06:33
chand1986 schrieb:

That is probably the dumbest sentence in the entire thread.
I can say this from personal experience, if you remember where I work.

Why do you call me dumb? And what does that have to do with your job (which I don’t recall – I hope you can forgive me)?
I hope you considered the subtle difference between "planning to have 4 children" and "having 4 children"?
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chand1986
8 Oct 2025 10:29
K a t j a schrieb:

Why do you call me stupid?
That sentence. And yes, I have considered the difference between planning and having.

Whether planned or unplanned, a society has to raise the children of those at the lower end of the financial ladder. Otherwise, that society is in trouble. We are slowly beginning to feel the early signs of this.

Career-changer teacher in a challenging school. Brings new perspectives.
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haydee
8 Oct 2025 10:47
Children who stand out are not always those at the lower end of society.

The discussion won’t really help the original poster. He already has a lot to consider and change. He will certainly get a visually appealing, functional house. Most home builders are familiar with moving walls, eliminating wishes, and so on.
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ypg
8 Oct 2025 14:29
K a t j a schrieb:

Why do you call me stupid?

Now you’re starting like this too: he didn’t call you stupid, he said it was a dumb sentence. Even intelligent people can write dumb sentences, just to mention that. I’m not saying the sentence itself is stupid.
K a t j a schrieb:

Have you considered the subtle difference between “planning for 4 children” and “having 4 children”?

I think that whether you have 4 children or are planning for 4, and must work within the budget of a house, the costs must be carefully calculated in the design. In my opinion, the shared living area should be somewhat larger. You need a bigger kitchen for more groceries and dishes, but also plenty of comfortable seating in the communal area. There’s a difference between one toddler spreading out in the open space and 3–4 toddlers. And the children’s bedrooms will be somewhat smaller. They either seek each other out or avoid each other as they grow older. It’s not as if they all think the same and get along wonderfully like in a soap opera or on The Waltons. And it’s certainly not a problem if you don’t plan enough space in every child’s room for a keyboard, a drum set, or a slot car track, but instead adjust the bedroom size accordingly.

Regarding my coat storage photo in #28: Funny! It shows a coat rack for 4 people, but only for seasonally used outerwear—that is, what the family typically uses throughout the weeks. The photo is presented without judgment. I posted it because the original poster mentioned coat hooks and wanted to avoid a closet. One user commented on what the photo implied to him. He questioned the term “terrible,” although the photo was simply posted without any impression. You can imagine what that means for the coat storage situation.
K a t j a8 Oct 2025 18:53
chand1986 schrieb:

Whether planned or unplanned, a society must also support the children of those at the lower end of the financial ladder. Otherwise, that society is in trouble. We are already beginning to notice this, albeit slowly.
Honestly, with all due respect to your ideal world, this doesn’t help the original poster at all when it comes to building a house. The fact is, children cost money and, more precisely, they take up space. And that applies regardless of income level. A low-income family with two children needs less space than a low-income family with four children.

And you can clearly see that here (if you have the imagination to picture it). The ground floor is unsuitable for eight people. It either requires more space or fewer occupants.
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haydee
8 Oct 2025 21:04
The ground floor is planned to have 2 bedrooms, suitable for up to 10 people.