ᐅ Large single-family house with 4 children’s bedrooms – adaptable into 2 separate living units
Created on: 5 Oct 2025 01:30
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Marcus.
Hello everyone,
we are planning a larger house to eventually accommodate four children, with the option for grandparents to move in later. Since the space requirement won’t be this high permanently, the house should be divisible into two separate living units – for example, for subletting, for an adult child with family (as we ourselves grew up), or for flexible use and better resale value. My parents live on the neighboring property to the north; we are trying to respect that (they want to stay there but are still independent).
I welcome honest, well-reasoned feedback – the more detailed, the better.
Plot and framework conditions
Client requirements
Design status
What we like
What is still not ideal
Budget
Priorities
Design development
We planned ourselves for a long time before hiring a professional planner. The process was an iterative one with back and forth optimization.
Furnishing
The living room still needs a large sofa and a TV on a shelf. The large wardrobes in the rooms probably won’t be that long; instead, desks will go there, for example. The bed likely won’t be in the home office. The kitchen island contains the stove and sink with a worktop between, and storage areas at the edge.
Special features
If the wall between the two western children’s bedrooms is removed, a full 4-room apartment is created on the upper floor (open kitchen/living area + three rooms + 2 bathrooms). The division would then be, for example, along the red lines shown. This greatly increases flexibility – for a granny flat, rental, or grown-up children later on. Even in the worst case (sale), the floor plan remains value-stable and versatile. Overall, the house feels like a very efficient realization of a large program of space – but we are open to any well-founded criticism or improvement ideas.
Specific questions:
We look forward to comments on:
Thanks for your input!
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we are planning a larger house to eventually accommodate four children, with the option for grandparents to move in later. Since the space requirement won’t be this high permanently, the house should be divisible into two separate living units – for example, for subletting, for an adult child with family (as we ourselves grew up), or for flexible use and better resale value. My parents live on the neighboring property to the north; we are trying to respect that (they want to stay there but are still independent).
I welcome honest, well-reasoned feedback – the more detailed, the better.
Plot and framework conditions
- Location: infill development, no formal building plan → orientation based on heterogeneous surrounding buildings
- Plot size: approx. 740 m² (about 8,000 sq ft), slightly elevated (approx. 1 m (3 ft)) compared to the street, then level
- Site coverage ratio: 0.4
- Floor area ratio: not specified, 2 full stories typical in the area
- Setbacks: 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors, up to 6 m (20 ft) at property boundary possible
- Edge development: only carports allowed
- Parking spaces: 2 required (driveway counts as second space)
- Roof type: pitched roof 23°, allowed range 20–45°
- Neighboring houses: height 7.8–9.2 m (26–30 ft) → planned building 8.81 m (29 ft)
- Orientation: street to the east, entrance planned to the north
Client requirements
- Style: efficient rectangular volume with pitched roof, flexible in appearance
- Basement: no (too many rooms that don't fit well in a basement)
- Stories: 2 plus attic for storage
- Residents: currently 2 adults, 2 children → eventually 4 children plus possibly grandparents
- Space needs: 4 children's bedrooms, 1 home office, 1 guest/grandparents’ room, kitchen, living area, utility/technical room, sufficient storage
- Kitchen: open plan with island, seating for 6–8
- Fireplace: no
- Balcony/terrace: no upper terrace, focus on garden
- Garage/carport: carport
- Kitchen garden: present but not a priority
- Size: preferably under 200 m² (approx. 2,150 sq ft) living space (tax benefits, lower running costs)
- Goal: position house as far south as possible so parents’ house to the south still gets sunlight
Design status
- Planning: done by independent planner for a fixed price → to serve as a basis for builder offers
- Current status: mostly final, last optimization round planned
What we like
- Room layout meets all requirements
- Utility room right next to bathroom (laundry without stairs)
- Large, bright open kitchen with plenty of storage
- Attic compensates for no basement
- Good size children’s bedrooms
- Overall efficient floor plan
What is still not ideal
- Hallway width (1.25 m (4 ft)) is rather tight
- Minor compromises in furnishing, but overall satisfied
Budget
- Planner’s estimate: 550–600 thousand euros (outdated)
- Our expectation: about 650 thousand euros
- Upper limit: 700–750 thousand euros
- Heating system: heat pump with underfloor heating
Priorities
- Essential: 4 children’s bedrooms
- Dispensable: some space or number of windows if necessary
Design development
We planned ourselves for a long time before hiring a professional planner. The process was an iterative one with back and forth optimization.
Furnishing
The living room still needs a large sofa and a TV on a shelf. The large wardrobes in the rooms probably won’t be that long; instead, desks will go there, for example. The bed likely won’t be in the home office. The kitchen island contains the stove and sink with a worktop between, and storage areas at the edge.
Special features
If the wall between the two western children’s bedrooms is removed, a full 4-room apartment is created on the upper floor (open kitchen/living area + three rooms + 2 bathrooms). The division would then be, for example, along the red lines shown. This greatly increases flexibility – for a granny flat, rental, or grown-up children later on. Even in the worst case (sale), the floor plan remains value-stable and versatile. Overall, the house feels like a very efficient realization of a large program of space – but we are open to any well-founded criticism or improvement ideas.
Specific questions:
- Floor-to-ceiling window in the bedroom or not (possibly desk space)?
- Is the small window in the upper hallway sufficient?
- Would an additional south-facing window for the children’s bedrooms on the south side be useful?
- The house is positioned quite close to the southern boundary – is that reasonable from your perspective (considering parents’ house to the south)?
- Utility room directly adjacent to the bathroom with prepared connections for a washing machine enabling possible separation of living units – practical like this?
- Should the wall between living room and kitchen be optionally designed as non-load-bearing? Likely costs around 5,000 euros more.
We look forward to comments on:
- Room layout
- Lighting/orientation
- Proportions/furnishability/daily usability
- Rental potential and value development
- Anything else you find relevant
Thanks for your input!
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I’m always amazed at how much time and effort Yvonne @ypg puts in.
The place is already overloaded as soon as 8 people try to pass through the hallway or hang up their coats. There’s no need to look any further for additional bottlenecks.
My recommendation would be to go for 3 floors, with the office upstairs to free up space downstairs.
Anyone planning for 4 children can’t be short on money. So go ahead and invest.
Marcus. schrieb:
Can you be a bit more specific?
The place is already overloaded as soon as 8 people try to pass through the hallway or hang up their coats. There’s no need to look any further for additional bottlenecks.
My recommendation would be to go for 3 floors, with the office upstairs to free up space downstairs.
Anyone planning for 4 children can’t be short on money. So go ahead and invest.
Not every family planning to have four children is wealthy. There are families with four children and average incomes. They cannot afford four separate children's bedrooms, let alone a new build. A happy childhood does not require a dedicated bathroom for kids, individual rooms, or expensive vacations.
Here, the homeowners want to accommodate a large family and dependents needing care—even after the children have moved out. That is too much for a single-family house. It exceeds what the two of them can manage—not financially, but in terms of caregiving. This present reality is often overlooked. When designing a house for four children, also consider the necessary storage space. The tricycle will be passed down. A guest room for the grandparents is enough. Remove some of the "what ifs," "maybes," and "could bes."
Here, the homeowners want to accommodate a large family and dependents needing care—even after the children have moved out. That is too much for a single-family house. It exceeds what the two of them can manage—not financially, but in terms of caregiving. This present reality is often overlooked. When designing a house for four children, also consider the necessary storage space. The tricycle will be passed down. A guest room for the grandparents is enough. Remove some of the "what ifs," "maybes," and "could bes."
MachsSelbst schrieb:
What is so terrible about this coat rack? This coat rack is disastrous and clearly unworthy of a private home. Of course, one might pursue owning a home simply as a way to avoid rent increases or eviction for personal use; but improving current living conditions "can’t hurt" either. The situation shown might still be bearable in a rental apartment—but considering it as motivation for improvement is not exaggerated. It is obviously not sufficient for the residents, and even a single guest with a hat or umbrella would overflow the capacity and have to keep their coat on. ;-)
haydee schrieb:
Not everyone planning for 4 children is wealthy. There are families with 4 children and average incomes. That is why I recommended the “simple two-family house” model (initially leaving out apartment-separating doors and installing only a basic kitchen setup in the second unit). Maybe one bathroom with a shower and the other with a bathtub—that covers the basic needs economically. Variants from 08/15A to 08/15Z are numerous, all noticeably cheaper than models 7016 or even 4711.
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haydee schrieb:
Not everyone planning to have four children is swimming in money. Yes, that would be a problem, right? Who else is supposed to cover this disproportionate transfer of their own inheritance?
haydee schrieb:
This is more than the two of them can manage. Not financially, but in terms of care work. How do you know that?
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chand19868 Oct 2025 06:12K a t j a schrieb:
Anyone planning for four children has no money worries.That is probably the most foolish statement in this entire thread. I can say this from personal experience, considering where I work.
Moreover, many members of this forum would not be here if their parents only had children with “sufficient income” (what is that supposed to mean anyway?).
Otherwise, I have another opinion regarding whether a well-designed and thus tidy hallway is an unreasonable expectation: no! Simply because it doesn’t have to cause additional costs, but only requires more thought during planning. If I can get more for the same money, why shouldn’t I do it? Exactly.
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