ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
Good morning.
I also believe that the issue with the soil pipe should not be blown out of proportion. There are definitely worse problems on a construction site than installing a 100mm (4 inch) KG pipe in a flat ceiling. Nobody makes a fuss about ventilation ducts either. (Yes, I know, those are thinner, but if planned in time, a 100mm (4 inch) pipe is no problem either.)
You just need to make sure that the pipe does not lose its connection during concreting due to buoyancy or something similar. With KG2000 pipes, such a problem should not occur.
Alternatively, I could imagine a dropped ceiling, which would solve the entire problem anyway. I wouldn’t find that unusual in a house like this. It depends on what kind of technical installations will be installed, especially electrical systems.
If you want to install recessed lights other than the usual spotlights, it becomes more difficult with flush-mounted boxes in a flat ceiling anyway; much of that is only possible with a dropped ceiling.
I find two other points much more interesting:
1. If the niche by the living room is going to be built, why not cantilever it as far as in the office? I would find that more visually appealing, but that is a matter of taste.
2. From a structural point of view, this will be quite an interesting issue, since the living room will have relatively large ceiling spans, plus the walls of the upper floor do not line up with the walls of the ground floor. This applies to most of the front façade and almost all interior walls.
I’m definitely not a structural engineer, but I could imagine that these issues will have to be compensated by beams on the ground floor, which are anything but visually pleasing.
I would rather ask the architect about this and make it clear that you do not want to see beams in the living space (unless you want a steel beam installed as a visible design element).
Alternatively, a toasted beam required beforehand could be concealed by a dropped ceiling.
I also believe that the issue with the soil pipe should not be blown out of proportion. There are definitely worse problems on a construction site than installing a 100mm (4 inch) KG pipe in a flat ceiling. Nobody makes a fuss about ventilation ducts either. (Yes, I know, those are thinner, but if planned in time, a 100mm (4 inch) pipe is no problem either.)
You just need to make sure that the pipe does not lose its connection during concreting due to buoyancy or something similar. With KG2000 pipes, such a problem should not occur.
Alternatively, I could imagine a dropped ceiling, which would solve the entire problem anyway. I wouldn’t find that unusual in a house like this. It depends on what kind of technical installations will be installed, especially electrical systems.
If you want to install recessed lights other than the usual spotlights, it becomes more difficult with flush-mounted boxes in a flat ceiling anyway; much of that is only possible with a dropped ceiling.
I find two other points much more interesting:
1. If the niche by the living room is going to be built, why not cantilever it as far as in the office? I would find that more visually appealing, but that is a matter of taste.
2. From a structural point of view, this will be quite an interesting issue, since the living room will have relatively large ceiling spans, plus the walls of the upper floor do not line up with the walls of the ground floor. This applies to most of the front façade and almost all interior walls.
I’m definitely not a structural engineer, but I could imagine that these issues will have to be compensated by beams on the ground floor, which are anything but visually pleasing.
I would rather ask the architect about this and make it clear that you do not want to see beams in the living space (unless you want a steel beam installed as a visible design element).
Alternatively, a toasted beam required beforehand could be concealed by a dropped ceiling.
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R.Hotzenplotz28 Jun 2017 07:20The niche could be done. However, it adds more living space that no one really needs and that has to be paid for. The architect said it also adds some dynamism to the facade. It doesn’t bother me.
I will ask about the beam.
I will ask about the beam.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Corner cut off? What do you mean by that? Here you go, including marked wastewater:
matte1987 schrieb:
2. Structurally, this will be quite an interesting challenge, since the living room will have relatively large ceiling spans, I agree with that.
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Really cool house. I would reconsider the following points:
Ground floor
- Staircase direction
- Distance from the sofa to the refrigerator (swap kitchen and pantry?)
- Small shower bathroom on the ground floor, even though there is plenty of space in front of it
Upper floor
- Children's room and master bedroom directly next to each other (soundproofing), even though there are plenty of rooms that could act as buffers
- Drainage in the master bathroom is already being discussed
Sorry if there are repetitions; I don’t want to have to read through the entire huge thread.
Ground floor
- Staircase direction
- Distance from the sofa to the refrigerator (swap kitchen and pantry?)
- Small shower bathroom on the ground floor, even though there is plenty of space in front of it
Upper floor
- Children's room and master bedroom directly next to each other (soundproofing), even though there are plenty of rooms that could act as buffers
- Drainage in the master bathroom is already being discussed
Sorry if there are repetitions; I don’t want to have to read through the entire huge thread.
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R.Hotzenplotz28 Jun 2017 21:20Thanks, 11ant:
What’s the problem with having an open space above the sofa on the upper floor? We don’t need any additional living space there, and if we artificially expanded it, it would naturally become unnecessarily more expensive.
What’s the problem with having an open space above the sofa on the upper floor? We don’t need any additional living space there, and if we artificially expanded it, it would naturally become unnecessarily more expensive.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
and if we artificially extended that, it would of course become unnecessarily more expensive. Creating a bend in the exterior wall here will already be more costly structurally than having 8 square meters (86 square feet) of extra space that is not really needed.
It doesn’t bother me; I don’t have to rake leaves in this vestibule.
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