ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
We have solid wood ceilings, a full 25 cm (10 inches) thick, plus loose fill and screed. It should be feasible in principle. I don’t think they are cheaper than concrete. We have a solid wood house; if it were a solid brick-and-mortar build, I would instinctively choose concrete. My neighbors shaped their house dimensions so they could use precast concrete elements for cost reasons.
Choose what your builder is experienced with. Unknown methods tend to be more expensive, and it’s questionable if they deliver better results.
If your budget is tight at this scale, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, but you should cross out KNX, photovoltaic systems, and similar extras. Doing much of the work yourself will be hardly possible with four children. You will need a Nordlys configuration. The water coming from an Ikea faucet is the same as from an expensive designer faucet. What do we really need? If someone doesn’t drink coffee, there is no need for a fully automatic coffee machine just because it’s trendy.
It’s good that you’ll need soil anyway. Some friends of ours suddenly faced a five-figure problem with their excavation.
Definitely take a close look at these cost areas. No one really tells you the whole truth; sometimes something gets forgotten—it’s the builder’s problem after all.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-Hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-Baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/günstig-bauen-so-geht-es-auch.25814/
Choose what your builder is experienced with. Unknown methods tend to be more expensive, and it’s questionable if they deliver better results.
If your budget is tight at this scale, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, but you should cross out KNX, photovoltaic systems, and similar extras. Doing much of the work yourself will be hardly possible with four children. You will need a Nordlys configuration. The water coming from an Ikea faucet is the same as from an expensive designer faucet. What do we really need? If someone doesn’t drink coffee, there is no need for a fully automatic coffee machine just because it’s trendy.
It’s good that you’ll need soil anyway. Some friends of ours suddenly faced a five-figure problem with their excavation.
Definitely take a close look at these cost areas. No one really tells you the whole truth; sometimes something gets forgotten—it’s the builder’s problem after all.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-Hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-Baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/günstig-bauen-so-geht-es-auch.25814/
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Johannes L27 Apr 2018 17:00Hello Haydee, hello Zaba12,
thank you for the pointers. I am certainly aware of the cost issue, but for now, the focus is on the floor plan.
thank you for the pointers. I am certainly aware of the cost issue, but for now, the focus is on the floor plan.
Yes, but the floor plan will be scrapped again if the budget is not sufficient. There is potential for savings, but once that is exhausted, the only option is to build smaller.
With a budget of 450,000 minus additional construction costs, garage, and landscaping, you can stay well under 400,000 for over 200 square meters (2,150 square feet) of living space plus a basement and attic. If the child benefit for homebuilding does not come through or your income is too high, the house cost will be closer to 300,000 than 400,000.
Building small is not an option. With six people, this amount of living space is almost a must. The basement also makes sense. Consider including the attic as finished living space and planning a smaller footprint.
Otherwise, get quotes based on Kaho’s floor plan. Make sure to incorporate your furniture with realistic dimensions. Remember to include a play corner, Christmas tree, etc. This will change the floor plan again, but the price won’t be affected as much.
With a budget of 450,000 minus additional construction costs, garage, and landscaping, you can stay well under 400,000 for over 200 square meters (2,150 square feet) of living space plus a basement and attic. If the child benefit for homebuilding does not come through or your income is too high, the house cost will be closer to 300,000 than 400,000.
Building small is not an option. With six people, this amount of living space is almost a must. The basement also makes sense. Consider including the attic as finished living space and planning a smaller footprint.
Otherwise, get quotes based on Kaho’s floor plan. Make sure to incorporate your furniture with realistic dimensions. Remember to include a play corner, Christmas tree, etc. This will change the floor plan again, but the price won’t be affected as much.
Johannes L schrieb:
Still a lively participation. I really like that! And all just with the simple trick that you can actually see the pictures.
I find the facades to be very modular in design.
Overall, the floor plan concept seems to me as if it was simply based on the largest rectangle that fits into the building plot. That’s probably not the best route to achieve aesthetic appeal. Try a counter-approach (almost any will do – the main thing is to change the way you think).
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